National Certification Authority NCA Elections Reminder

[Claude Lawrenson]

The plan being suggested is that 1) InterNACHI applies for "equivalency" and completes the application for review like OAHi and others did.

2) When equivalency agreement is ratified - all Canadian members of InterNACHI now have the exact same fee as other "equivalency agreement" holders such as OAHI.

3) All equivalency agreements come with conditions such as goals towards CAN-P-9 compliance. We already know the challenges for change.

4) Other benefits accrue - such as the "association" recognized gains more administrative work such as review of members - when and if such an administrative body/committee exists.

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

The plan being suggested is that 1) InterNACHI applies for "equivalency" and completes the application for review like OAHi and others did.

2) When equivalency agreement is ratified - all Canadian members of InterNACHI now have the exact same fee as other "equivalency agreement" holders such as OAHI.

3) All equivalency agreements come with conditions such as goals towards CAN-P-9 compliance. We already know the challenges for change.

4) Other benefits accrue - such as the "association" recognized gains more administrative work such as review of members - when and if such an administrative body/committee exists.

Claude:

I have come up with a plan that I will send to you and Nick once I get the details written out. It will allow both sides to save face and accomplish their own goals and also protect their own interests. I think it will be welcomed by both sides (although I can't predict what some die-hards will do) and it will help the entire Canadian industry.
It follows what I mentioned doing a month or so ago, but with a surprising and daring twist.
All this arguing is getting us no where fast and it is not accomplishing anything positive. It's time for someone to do something provocative and risky, and since I have never been afraid to be controversial and I have nothing to lose ...................

Bill Mullen

[rwand1]

Bill and Claude,

Not that I am a spokesperson for any association but,

I welcome your endeavours to pursue alternatives in the spirit of cooperation.

Cheers,

[George A. H. Luck]

Bill, you can dress this up however you want but-

A - the cost differential makes access to the programme an unequal opportunity and that is in direct contravention of the CAHPI mandate as handed down by CMHC.

and

B - you have millions of tax payer dollars already tied up in the programme and that money came from my pocket and the pocket of every other Canadian.

[Marcel Gratton]

Originally Posted by gluck

Bill, you can dress this up however you want but-

A - the cost differential makes access to the programme an unequal opportunity and that is in direct contravention of the CAHPI mandate as handed down by CMHC.

and

B - you have millions of tax payer dollars already tied up in the programme and that money came from my pocket and the pocket of every other Canadian.

I will second that George!

Anything costing me a penny more than average is not worth my time...

É Voila!

[Marcel Gratton]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Bill and Claude,

I welcome your endeavours to pursue alternatives in the spirit of cooperation.

Cheers,

Ray,

Just wondering from your opinions of late, were you offered a partisan appointement by the NCA?

[George A. H. Luck]

"I will second that George!

Anything costing me a penny more than average is not worth my time...

É Voila!"

Merci mon ami!

[Marcel Gratton]

This message has been deleted by rwand1. Reason: I don't need no stinking reason!

Ray,
Does that means that your reason stinks ?

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by bmullen1

Claude:

I have come up with a plan that I will send to you and Nick once I get the details written out. It will allow both sides to save face and accomplish their own goals and also protect their own interests. I think it will be welcomed by both sides (although I can't predict what some die-hards will do) and it will help the entire Canadian industry.
It follows what I mentioned doing a month or so ago, but with a surprising and daring twist.
All this arguing is getting us no where fast and it is not accomplishing anything positive. It's time for someone to do something provocative and risky, and since I have never been afraid to be controversial and I have nothing to lose ...................

Bill Mullen

Bill's statement above again adds to what has been posted before ,
CAHPI ---NCA --- are only a figure head .
They are being told by others what to say and do .
"I have come up with a plan that I will send to you and Nick once I get the details written out."
They do not give out information because they are not allowed to give out information.
Claude and Bill can scream all they want but I am sure most of the information that has come from the NACHI members .

No matter what they say they need NACHI and look for them to offer NACHI members the same price for the NCA as CAHPI is paying.
..... Cookie ... ( The liar ) ( according to Bill )

"All this arguing is getting us no where fast and it is not accomplishing anything positive. "

WE are not arguing we are only presenting what we hear on the only open to all BB in the Home Inspector industry.

Bill if you want to be positive then you have to change your attitude BIG TIME

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Certified Master Inspector is the best for sure .
Pay once good for life .
Has the most experienced Home Inspectors as Members .
Open to all home Inspectors for same price .
The easiest name to remember.
Good world wide.
Name is explanatory to the Public
The Name sells its self.
Has its own web site to ask questions and help all.
The CMI Chat forum open for all to use .
Have never seen any discrimination on the CMI Web site .
More Pluses then we could have ever hope for .
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And here is how it started ............ Cookie

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Nick Gromicko vbmenu_register("postmenu_278511", true); NACHI NACHI Member User Name: gromicko Location: Valley Forge, PA Posts: 9,541 Re: Honest questions about CMI I don't mind at all that outsiders come here whining. But whine about something wrong, not something right.

Joe H is right, MICB has been spun off into it's own separate org and you should be asking questions of them, but I see that you are interested in its history, so let me just explain that much.

Back when I was an inspector in Philly and owned Peach Inspections, I was competing with Joe Hagarty and HouseMaster in his market. Our two companies charged the most in our market. When we'd meet, we'd complain about how inspectors around us weren't charing enough. So way back then I started working on how to change that, industry wide. This eventually lead to this message board's longest discussion (or maybe some would say argument), that being the "Certified Master Inspector" which after years of battle, it became clear that we had to spin it off (mostly because we didn't want to become a 2-tier org). Anyway, it had no funding, still doesn't because annual dues are free. Yet the U.S. Patent and Trademark battle to get the "Certified Master Inspector" mark registere as a Federal Certification Mark (not just a Trademark) was eating up legal fees (6 figures at least). Finally... we lost. The USPTO just wouldn't give it to us. Now at this point you have to realize that I personally put up all the moeny so far, so the whole thing becomes very personal to me. Not just because I had tried for years to help our profession raise its prices, not just because I was in the inspection business and knew what it was like to be afraid to raise prices, but also because I had my much of my own skin ($) in this thing by now. Anyway, I went back to PA and found the best Trademark attorney in the world. He told me he could try to get the mark approved one last time for another $20K, which I gave him. Ended up costing me another $60K, but finally we got it "Certified Master Inspector" approved as a Federal Certification Mark. All this to help 200 and some inspectors (many of which are not members of InterNACHI) to raise their prices. I still very much believe that if we can get the top of our profession to raise prices (the ceiling) and let them make more money by doing less inspections.... the rest of us can raise our prices up underneath them and also do less inspections for more money. What our profession needs is to do less inspections for more money... not more inspections for less money.

Anyway, I gave it my best shot, many years of my life, thousands of hours of working with thoughtful people on this message board, and tens of thousands of dollars.

Has it changed our profession and the world? No. But I tried.

Has it allowed CMIs to raise their pricing, even in a soft market? Yes. We've seen plenty of testimony on this message board from CMIs who say the thing worked.

So there you have it. It works, it is open to all, no annual dues. I think if someone offers you something and you don't want it or like it, at least be polite and say "no thanks." --
Nick Gromicko, CMI













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[Bill Mullen]

" I think if someone offers you something and you don't want it or like it, at least be polite and say "no thanks." --
Nick Gromicko, CMI

Roy:
Instead of constantly ranting about the NCP, there are some words to live by spoken by somone you respect.
Believe me, they don't want you even more than you don't want them.

Bill Mullen













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[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by bmullen1

" I think if someone offers you something and you don't want it or like it, at least be polite and say "no thanks." --
Nick Gromicko, CMI

Roy:
Instead of constantly ranting about the NCP, there are some words to live by spoken by somone you respect.
Believe me, they don't want you even more than you don't want them.

Bill Mullen

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Thanks for your thoughts Bill but when YOU come into my home and try to convince the NACHI members and YOU refuse to give them the truth and the Whole story .
I will do my best to see that they get some idea of what is going on and that YOU refuse to tell them.
Do not think for a minute that
(" Believe me, they don't want you even more than you don't want them. ")
They would just love to have me and then I would not be able to tell it like it is .
For your Information I have not said I do not want them .
The situation is I do not want them the way it is now ,no information ,
no rules ,no ideas about finances , no idea on how it will be run,
Why would I even consider joining up with a secret group.
.... Cookie



Long Live NACHI , CMI is the one for me .
Thanks for NICKS quote ,now I have lots of your quotes I am sure some are better left in my computer.

[Bill Mullen]

Good for you, Roy.

You just keep sticking to your beliefs.

It all makes my work a lot easier.

Bill Mullen

[Claude Lawrenson]

It's kind of ironic that when information is offered - its stated to be not welcomed or we are here selling the program. On the other hand when information is not offered it - is stated to be withholding information.

Seems some will never be satisfied.....besides NACHI does provide some very good information - but I would indicate from my own POV - not everything posted here is always based on the reality of the situation or the facts. My point being read everything you can from all sides and make "informed" decisions based on facts. Again it all about choices - nobody is here forcing that option.

Certainly Bill or I do not need to waste our time or your time - but postings are often made to respond to questions - not just sell a product. But than again - are we not all bombarded with more products through this website than ever before? Do some offer "kickbacks" such as one I have recently received? Very interesting......

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

It's kind of ironic that when information is offered - its stated to be not welcomed or we are here selling the program. On the other hand when information is not offered it - is stated to be withholding information.
Thanks for telling us about the information offered .You know a great idea would be to have all the information that has been given . or just a synopisis posted in one place for all to read and this I am sure would be well received ...
Seems some will never be satisfied.....besides NACHI does provide some very good information - but I would indicate from my own POV - not everything posted here is always based on the reality of the situation or the facts. My point being read everything you can from all sides and make "informed" decisions based on facts. Again it all about choices - nobody is here forcing that option.
.Thanks for admitting NACHI does provide some very good information . Of course we all realise it does provide more then all other Home Inspectors associations combinded..
Certainly Bill or I do not need to waste our time or your time - .You have both said that many times but ?.but postings are often made to respond to questions - not just sell a product.
.I agree many of your posting are in response to question unfortunatly there are very very few answers to those questions ..
But than again - are we not all bombarded with more products through this website than ever before?
.You bet and even you Claude are one of those who have pushed their products on the NACHI BB..
Do some offer "kickbacks" such as one I have recently received? Very interesting......

.Interesting how you say you received a kickback...
Very Interesting there was a good discussion on kickbacks and how they should be handled recently.

NICK said he never excepts kickbacks and I believe him.
....Cookie