NCA fee announcement

[rwand1]

George,

Don't worry as long as OAHI is at the helm in Ontario in regards to administering the National you have nothing to fear but the corruption of morals within OAHI management.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Licencing yes, National Certification No!

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by gluck

"This all started years ago, long before NACHI was even heard of in Canada."

Thank you Bill. That is exactly the point. This whole programme was put together years before the explosive growth in inspector numbers, based on surveys and data that is years out of date and of an unacceptably small sampling rate by gentlemen who for a large part are no longer in the business.
The fact that there are now many more inspectors makes this program even more critical. There are certainly a lot more of us, but unfortunately with the growth came some reduction in requirements and training in many circles. It's time for us to become professionals and the NCP is the vehicle that is doing just that.

To say that all inspectors who wanted to be involved, were, is a joke. Although the charge from C.M.H.C. was to involve as many inspectors as possible that was not done and you know it.
When did you ask to be involved? I haven't seen anywhere that you even applied for certification. If you don't believe in the concept, why would you or anyone else want to be involved. Conversely, why would the group in charge of the NCP want to welcome into their midst anyone who was opposed to the NCP? It would be counter-productive.
What percentage of the number of inspectors working today were actually involved?
A large percentage.
And charging $1,100 dollars more to non-CAHPI members is not the hallmark of democracy to which you aspire.
Oops, you missed the reduction. You now only have to pay $ 850., and until NACHI gets an equivalency rating, the NCA is barely and maybe not even breaking even at that rate. It's not only democratic, it's downright generous.

This faulted programme has thrown a dark cloud of mistrust over the entire industry and every inspector working in it. Rather than improve the view that the public has of us, it has told every purchaser and real estate sales person that the industry suffers a terrible failure rate with no accurate proof. Further the programme has added yet another set of letters and numbers for the client to wade through and the prevailling attitude in the market now is "Who cares?"

You should pay more attention to groups who are watching us, including consumer groups. Watch what CREA, CHBA, CBA, CPBH and about ten other national influential groups do with this National Certification over the next few months.

And it was all done with the help of our own money in the form of tens of millions of Canadian's tax dollars. Quite an achievement.

Where on earth did you get that figure ??? I don't mind people discussing this program and even arguing, but at least use some real statistics, George.

Happy Canada Day.

Bill Mullen

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by rwand1

George,

Don't worry as long as OAHI is at the helm in Ontario in regards to administering the National you have nothing to fear but the corruption of morals within OAHI management.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Licencing yes, National Certification No!

Raymond:

It's a National program. CAHPI Ontario has some input, but all of the rules are decided and applied by the National Certification Authority. CAHPI Ontario has but one vote on the ten person NCA. To say they control or run the program in Ontario is inaccurate. They will do some subsidiary tasks as required.

CAHPI Ontario, like most provincial associations, will no doubt help with some duties, but only with NCA approval and guidance.

If in fact NACHI applied for and received an Equivalency Agreement, NACHI itself would even qualify to take on some roles. However, it would not make sense to give any duties to any person or group who didn't wish to be a part of the program.

Bill Mullen

[rwand1]

Bill

Yes NCA will approve and give guidance, but the rest will be left to OAHI to administer in Ontario, including discipline. Given OAHI ability to be incompetent and unable to manage its affairs via its charter and by-laws, its a scary thought.

[rwand1]

Please lets all remember that as long as PR 158 in Ontario is on the books it supercedes the National.

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Please lets all remember that as long as PR 158 in Ontario is on the books it supercedes the National.

Only in some dimensions. National Corporations, relocation companies, and other groups don't give a damn about Bill 158. It's all about National Certification.

The defenders of Bill 158 have had thirteen years to prove its relevance and they have failed miserably. There's a new game in town now.

Bill Mullen

[rwand1]

Bill

No arguement from me. The fact is at least one individual who was able to get Pr 158 enacted has fraudulently and continually used it for his own misguided objectives with assistance of a few other over inflated ego's. The fear factor in OAHI has to be exposed by those who have hi jacked the objectives of the association.

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Bill

No arguement from me. The fact is at least one individual who was able to get Pr 158 enacted has fraudulently and continually used it for his own misguided objectives with assistance of a few other over inflated ego's. The fear factor in OAHI has to be exposed by those who have hi jacked the objectives of the association.

Happy Canada Day, Ray......we're agreeing !!!

There are now people involved who will not allow the 'status quo' to continue. I am aware of some things that are happening already, and the 'old guard' is not at all happy. All of the old garbage will stay with OAHI and CAHPI Ontario is going to rise from the ashes.

I too am dismayed that certain individuals have been allowed to hi-jack parts of my provincial association for their own benefit. The educational end of the association is riddled with abuse.

We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it any more.

Bill Mullen

Although I am not directly involved with OAHI/CAHPI Ontario affairs, I do have several friends on the inside who rely on me for guidance and advice.

Bill Mullen

[Douglas Cossar]

Bill

I am aware that Carson Dunlop has made an offer to provide their training packages to a group of people (can't say who). CD says the package they offer is accredited for the NC.

Sorry I can't be more specific I might get in *****
Cheers

[Vern Mitchinson]

If one pays 850 and meets the std does one get the RHI? If so what is the 300.00 for? If no RHI for 850 but has to pay 300 for the additional inspection to get RHI, then the total is 1150 and that is the same as before.
Please explain?

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by vmitchinson

If one pays 850 and meets the std does one get the RHI? If so what is the 300.00 for? If no RHI for 850 but has to pay 300 for the additional inspection to get RHI, then the total is 1150 and that is the same as before.
Please explain?

Vern:

The National Certification Program has nothing to do with being or not being an RHI. The certification that people apply for and hopefully receive is the right to be called a 'National Certificate Holder.' If you pay $ 850. and your credentials meet the requirements, and you pass your TIPR exam, you would qualify to become a National Certificate Holder. (No extra money)

If you wish to become an RHI, you must join a CAHPI organization because only they can provide the RHI designation, since it is a provincial one.

Bill Mullen

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by dcossar

Bill

I am aware that Carson Dunlop has made an offer to provide their training packages to a group of people (can't say who). CD says the package they offer is accredited for the NC.

Sorry I can't be more specific I might get in *****
Cheers

Thanks, Doug:

I would like to look into this, but until I see some more specifics, I have no idea where to look. Nonetheless, I will still make some inquiries, because we want a fair, level playing field for all.

However, I will not go on a fishing expedition, especially based on hearsay only. I mean no disrespect, Doug, but if it is true there must be some concrete evidence somewhere.

Bill Mullen

[rwand1]

Hey Vern

Send $50 to OAHI and become a Friend of OAHI where upon you will be entered into the Membership Registry like the other Friends of OAHI and as per PR 158 you can use RHI all for the low low price of $50. Its a bargooooon! There are at least half a dozen Friends of OAHI who have utilized this method, you can too!

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

This has gone on for a couple of years and been in the planning stage for many many years .
It sound like they still have less then 100 home inspectors and the excuse for not publicizing there names is so they do not have an unfair advantage . WOW! I think if a person was interested and saw how great every NCA inspector was doing they would be lined up to get their approval.
I find it so strange Bill Mullen is the only one who has any thing to say on this Claude avoids giving any info.
The more I listen and the more I read .
I am convinced it is close to not surviving .
Gee I think we all heard a very similar way to all become elite Home Inspectors a couple of years ago and many invested a lot of money then too.
I think the best thing that could happen now is for Bill to start and enjoy his retirement and quit trying to sell more snake oil.





Remember Whistler http://www.nachi.org/forum/f48/lets-not-forget-whistler-4935/

[Marcel Gratton]

Originally Posted by dcossar

Just keep chiping away............. they'll get the picture sooner or later

Cheers

I will not consider anything costing me a penny more than a CAHPI's member...

So B & C, back to the drawing board me think!