Need to know????

[George A. H. Luck]

Jason, I don't think that anybody could observe the weather these days and say that it has not changed since the 1950's. I just don't think that there is a lot of solid evidence that Man is the sole reason for it.

And then there 'KYOTO" . . . .

[rwand1]

Everybody complains about the weather, but no one does anything about it!

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

If you have a chance watch "An inconvenient truth" presented by former V.P. Al Gore. It is a "must see" documentary that delivers a very profound message about the need to act now!

Put politics aside - and become part of the solution.

OK Claude, please indulge me here. Since you seem to have bought into what Mr. Gore is selling, could you answer a few questions?

1. If we accept the premise that "global warming" is actually occurring, what can or should be done about it?

2. Again-If we accept the premise that "global warming" is actually occurring, are there any "winners" or only losers if we do nothing?

3. If we endeavor to meet the goals of the Kyoto protocols, what will that mean for our futrues and more importantly our children?

4. If we find that the "costs" of mitigating "global warming" (likely well beyond what Kyoto call for) are those $$$$$$$ better spent anywhere else?

Let's see how you do on these before we go on.

Though I specifically would like to hear from Claude. please feel free to express your opinions.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Jason1

Do you seriously think that our environment isn't screwed up, and getting worse?

I can't speak for Canada but here in the USA the environment has improved remarkably.

[rwand1]

Would it not be prudent to start acting now rather than wait another decade to prove what we already suspect now?

Sure it may be global warming, it could be weather cycles, it could be a combination of both.

Man cannot continue to screw with our biosphere.

Don't wait, act today!

This message brought to you by the World Wildlife Fund.

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by rwand1

We like to talk alot about the environment but I really don't see it starting in our own neighbourhoods.

Think globally, act locally !

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by mlarson

I can't speak for Canada but here in the USA the environment has improved remarkably.

Really? How so?

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by mlarson

1. If we accept the premise that "global warming" is actually occurring, what can or should be done about it?

A change in attitude to start, act now before it gets worse, or un treatable.

There is tons of free, renewable, clean fuel out there waiting to be used. Sun, wind, tides, but to name a few.

2. Again-If we accept the premise that "global warming" is actually occurring, are there any "winners" or only losers if we do nothing?

We all lose if we don't change the way we think and act toward climate change.

3. If we endeavor to meet the goals of the Kyoto protocols, what will that mean for our futrues and more importantly our children?

See number two

4. If we find that the "costs" of mitigating "global warming" (likely well beyond what Kyoto call for) are those $$$$$$$ better spent anywhere else?

What will it cost us if we do nothing?

Is the $400 billion dollars (and counting) that you are spending in Iraq better spent elsewhere?

Let's see how you do on these before we go on.

Though I specifically would like to hear from Claude. please feel free to express your opinions.

IMHO,

Jason

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by gluck

I just don't think that there is a lot of solid evidence that Man is the sole reason for it.

. .

We certainly are not helping it ! It's a big world, but we leave a mighty big foot print in it.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Would it not be prudent to start acting now rather than wait another decade to prove what we already suspect now?

Sure it may be global warming, it could be weather cycles, it could be a combination of both.

Man cannot continue to screw with our biosphere.

Don't wait, act today!

This message brought to you by the World Wildlife Fund.

Raymond, you have failed to advance the discussion by not answering ANY of the questions I posted.
I would like to have a discussion. Please ask me any questions you may have after you answered the what I posted.

Would you like to try again?

[rwand1]

Michael why would I argue with someone intent on being a smart ***?

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Jason1

IMHO,

Jason

Originally Posted by mlarson

1. If we accept the premise that "global warming" is actually occurring, what can or should be done about it?

A change in attitude to start, act now before it gets worse, or un treatable.


I'm not sure you have explained your attitude. Please define untreatable.

There is tons of free, renewable, clean fuel out there waiting to be used. Sun, wind, tides, but to name a few.


If they are free, clean, or renewable, why have they not been used more extensively?


2. Again-If we accept the premise that "global warming" is actually occurring, are there any "winners" or only losers if we do nothing?

We all lose if we don't change the way we think and act toward climate change.


Any evidence?

3. If we endeavor to meet the goals of the Kyoto protocols, what will that mean for our futures and more importantly our children?

See number two


Define: lose

4. If we find that the "costs" of mitigating "global warming" (likely well beyond what Kyoto call for) are those $$$$$$$ better spent anywhere else?

What will it cost us if we do nothing?


Great question, do you know?

Is the $400 billion dollars (and counting) that you are spending in Iraq better spent elsewhere?


Not germane to this issue. But IMHO, no. (It takes much more explaining and that's for another day)

[rwand1]

The ice caps are melting thus they are not reflecting the sun and ultraviolet. No reflection increased temperatures. How long do you suppose it took to freeze all that open water and glacier melt? Thousands of years, its melting faster then it was created.

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Originally Posted by mlarson

1. If we accept the premise that "global warming" is actually occurring, what can or should be done about it?

A change in attitude to start, act now before it gets worse, or un treatable.


I'm not sure you have explained your attitude. Please define untreatable.

There is tons of free, renewable, clean fuel out there waiting to be used. Sun, wind, tides, but to name a few.


If they are free, clean, or renewable, why have they not been used more extensively?


2. Again-If we accept the premise that "global warming" is actually occurring, are there any "winners" or only losers if we do nothing?

We all lose if we don't change the way we think and act toward climate change.


Any evidence?

3. If we endeavor to meet the goals of the Kyoto protocols, what will that mean for our futures and more importantly our children?

See number two


Define: lose

4. If we find that the "costs" of mitigating "global warming" (likely well beyond what Kyoto call for) are those $$$$$$$ better spent anywhere else?

What will it cost us if we do nothing?


Great question, do you know?

Is the $400 billion dollars (and counting) that you are spending in Iraq better spent elsewhere?


Not germane to this issue. But IMHO, no. (It takes much more explaining and that's for another day)

I believe you know all the answers you are looking for, but you are trying to start an argument.

It comes down to this:

1. Stop pretending climate change is not happening - it is.

2. Stop pretending man has nothing to do with it - we do.

3. Accept the reality of 1 & 2 and act on it.

[rwand1]

No but if you want beach front property buy property along interstate 95. At this rate of melt it won't take long.

Help lower water levels make ice cubes and stockpile them in your freezer!