Need to know????

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Instead there is little more than a political agenda being foisted on the populous.
It's generally anti-western, mostly anti-U.S.A., and definitely lead by those who would prefer a lot of us to be gone. They are willing to limit freedom, increase the cost of living, tax us to oblivion and mandate how we live, all for their unstated goals.

Kinda sounds like Big Oil.....

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by mlarson

If people are truly concerned with saving humans from real pain and suffering there are so many good things that could be done.

Climate change is the only thing that effects 100% of us, Mike.

[Jason1]

Its obvious we will never agree, so lets drop it.

We live in a Democracy, let the majority decide.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Jason1

Climate change is the only thing that effects 100% of us, Mike.

No doubt. So you are sayng that limited resources should be spent on foolhardy schemes that have almost no chance of improving anyones's lives?

For some it will have positive effects and others will have to move or adapt.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Jason1

Its obvious we will never agree, so lets drop it.

You may stop posting anytime you wish.

Originally Posted by Jason1

I We live in a Democracy, let the majority decide.

I only hope the electorate has all the facts and the wisdom to make the best choices.

[George A. H. Luck]

Very interesting video;


http://video.google.com:80/videoplay?docid=4499562022478442170

[Vern Mitchinson, CMI]

At no time in that video did they say the climate is not warming. They only disputed the cause and tried to discredit the scientices that are saying what is causing the climate to change. For me the proof that the planet is getting warmer is the shrinking of the ice caps and glaciers. Evidence of this is very apparent when you look at the photos over the last 100 or so years or the satellite images since they first taken and now.

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by vmitchinson

At no time in that video did they say the climate is not warming. They only disputed the cause and tried to discredit the scientices that are saying what is causing the climate to change. For me the proof that the planet is getting warmer is the shrinking of the ice caps and glaciers. Evidence of this is very apparent when you look at the photos over the last 100 or so years or the satellite images since they first taken and now.

I think Mike agrees that it is happening, he just thinks man doesn't have a big enough impact on it to justify doing anything about it.

The IPCC has come to the conclusion that man is responsible and we should be doing something about it. Mike figures he and his conspiracy buddies know better then then the worlds top scientist's.

Don't try to change his mind, the narrowness of it is over powering

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Jason1

Don't try to change his mind, the narrowness of it is over powering

As so often happens with those who are committed to the "belief" in Anthropogenic "Global Warming", disagreement with their belief is not tolerated and eventually the name calling begins.

Of course some may think jason1's mind is so closed that it only accept the opinions of his top scientists.
(Sounds the like high priests of a religion)


Folks, there are many other top scientists who dispute what the IPCC is claiming. for example:Richard Lindzen
(Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT)

Here is a quote from him from about a year ago:

"Alarm rather than genuine scientific curiosity, it appears, is essential to maintaining funding. And only the most senior scientists today can stand up against this alarmist gale, and defy the iron triangle of climate scientists, advocates and policymakers."

Mr. Lindzen continues to stand along with many others.

[Michael Larson]

Scientists threatened for 'climate denial'


Read Article

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Of course some may think jason1's mind is so closed that it only accept the opinions of his top scientists.
(Sounds the like high priests of a religion)

My top scientist's?

No, undisputed men and women who are tops in there profession.

As opposed to you, just someone with an uneducated opinion that is held together by a very thin thread.

Wake up and smell the ice caps melting, Mike.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Jason1

.........No, undisputed men and women who are tops in there profession.

Really? LINK

Originally Posted by Jason1

As opposed to you, just someone with an uneducated opinion that is held together by a very thin thread.

Name calling again, Eh? Keep believing jason1, keep believing.

Originally Posted by Jason1

Wake up and smell the ice caps melting, Mike.

BTW-the polar icecaps are melting on Mars too.

And you keep avoiding my fundemental question which is-
What is the best use of our limited resources?

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by mlarson

And you keep avoiding my fundemental question which is-
What is the best use of our limited resources?

Better question, what is the cost if we do nothing?

http://www.foe.co.uk/resource/reports/econ_costs_cc.pdf

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Name calling again, Eh? Keep believing jason1, keep believing.

No name calling, just calling a spade a spade. Take it for what it is worth.

[Jason1]

Tidbits from the IPCC report:

Human activities contribute to climate change by causing
changes in Earth’s atmosphere in the amounts of greenhouse gases,
aerosols (small particles), and cloudiness. The largest known
contribution comes from the burning of fossil fuels, which releases
carbon dioxide gas to the atmosphere. Greenhouse gases and aerosols
affect climate by altering incoming solar radiation and outgoing
infrared (thermal) radiation that are part of Earth’s energy
balance. Changing the atmospheric abundance or properties of
these gases and particles can lead to a warming or cooling of the
climate system. Since the start of the industrial era (about 1750),
the overall effect of human activities on climate has been a warming
influence. The human impact on climate during this era greatly
exceeds that due to known changes in natural processes, such as

solar changes and volcanic eruptions.

the increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO

2) and
other greenhouse gases during the industrial era are caused by human
activities. In fact, the observed increase in atmospheric CO2

concentrations does not reveal the full extent of human emissions in
that it accounts for only 55% of the CO

2 released by human activity
since 1959. The rest has been taken up by plants on land and by
the oceans. In all cases, atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse
gases, and their increases, are determined by the balance between
sources (emissions of the gas from human activities and natural
systems) and sinks (the removal of the gas from the atmosphere
by conversion to a different chemical compound). Fossil fuel combustion
(plus a smaller contribution from cement manufacture) is
responsible for more than 75% of human-caused CO2 emissions.
Land use change (primarily deforestation) is responsible for the remainder.
For methane, another important greenhouse gas, emissions
generated by human activities exceeded natural emissions
over the last 25 years. For nitrous oxide, emissions generated by
human activities are equal to natural emissions to the atmosphere.
Most of the long-lived halogen-containing gases (such as chlorofluorcarbons)
are manufactured by humans, and were not present in
the atmosphere before the industrial era. On average, present-day
tropospheric ozone has increased 38% since pre-industrial times,
and the increase results from atmospheric reactions of short-lived
pollutants emitted by human activity. The concentration of CO2

is now 379 parts per million (ppm) and methane is greater than
1,774 parts per billion (ppb), both very likely much higher than
any time in at least 650 kyr (during which CO

2 remained between
180 and 300 ppm and methane between 320 and 790 ppb). The
recent rate of change is dramatic and unprecedented; increases in
CO2 never exceeded 30 ppm in 1 kyr – yet now CO2 has risen by 30

ppm in just the last 17 years.

It is very unlikely that the 20th-century warming can be
explained by natural causes. The late 20th century has been
unusually warm. Palaeoclimatic reconstructions show that the
second half of the 20th century was likely the warmest 50-year

period in the Northern Hemisphere in the last 1300 years