Need to know????

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Jason1

I believe you know all the answers you are looking for, but you are trying to start an argument.

It comes down to this:

1. Stop pretending climate change is not happening - it is.

I am not pretending. I did say in my original questions that (for the sake of discussion) let's accept your premise. The purpose was to get beyond the emotion and hype and discuss the ramifications of dealing with "global warming"

I know you are sure of it's hap[pening. How did you come to that conclusion?

2. Stop pretending man has nothing to do with it - we do.

See above. I accept your conclusion for discussion purposes. Who is we?

3. Accept the reality of 1 & 2 and act on it.

Do you do what everyone tells you to do? Why or why not?

I have no desire to argue.

I do desire to discuss and present an opportunity for all to understand more fully the conclusions/beliefs they have endorsed. I may or may not agree with them. I could take either side of the "argument". It's called discussion.
You may also want to look up the term Socratic Method. It will help you understand why I ask so many questions.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by rwand1

No but if you want beach front property buy property along interstate 95. At this rate of melt it won't take long.

Help lower water levels make ice cubes and stockpile them in your freezer!

Come on Raymond, we all might learn something.

For example:

If sea level rises by one meter as some predict, what exactly will happen?

If the global mean temperature rises by 1-3 degrees(my arbitrary figures) is that definitely a bad thing? (One word answer not acceptable)

[rwand1]

It is well for young men to remember that no bubble is so iridescent or floats longer than that blown by the successful teacher. Sir William Osler.

I thought it was kinda fitting.

[rwand1]

Grasshopper.

Does the ice in the glass of water raise or lower the level of water as it melts?

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by mlarson

You may also want to look up the term Socratic Method. It will help you understand why I ask so many questions.

You may want to look up the term "Quid Pro Quo". It will help you to have a fair and balanced discussion.

[rwand1]

Isn't that what I order at the Sushi place, Quid pro Quo. Its good whatever it is!

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Isn't that what I order at the Sushi place, Quid pro Quo. Its good whatever it is!

Not as good as it used to be, remember when it came with out the Mercury filling

[rwand1]

They hang it upside down in a freezer for 24 hours so the mercury goes to the head. Then they cut off the head and make thermometers, or grind it up and feed it to farm Salmon. Yummy.

Eat Tuna make Mercury part of your diet.

No Harp seals were clubbed to death in the making of this post.
This site environmentally friendly.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Jason1

You may want to look up the term "Quid Pro Quo". It will help you to have a fair and balanced discussion.

Jason, Yes that's what I am looking for "give and take"
I started by asking questions.
This alway leads to more questions and that's perfectly natural.

I would like you to answer the questions as best you can and feel free to ask questions in return. I will answer them as best I can and that will include a question sometimes. If you think I am being unfair or unbalanced please point that out with an explanation. The idea is for both parties to exchange information in support of their conclusions. If you would rather not participate that is up to you.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Jason1

Not as good as it used to be, remember when it came with out the Mercury filling

I have extensive fillings most of which contain Mercury.

Should I be sick or something?

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by mlarson

I have extensive fillings most of which contain Mercury.

Should I be sick or something?

Nah, don't worry about it. The toxic air you breath everyday will kill you long before mercury gets you.

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by mlarson

feel free to ask questions in return.

Do you believe climate change is a problem?

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Jason1

Do you believe climate change is a problem?

Maybe. (That's not meant to be a hedge, I honestly don't know)

Thank you for using the correct term.

Cimate change is always happening and has been for recorded history and longer and will continue to happen not matter what we do.

What do think can be done about it?

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Maybe. (That's not meant to be a hedge, I honestly don't know)

What do think can be done about it?

Pumping tons and tons of green house gases into the atmosphere is not helping. We have to cut back our emissions in all areas, residential, transportation, industrial,, etc.

We need to put serious money into research of alternative fuels, not the "token" amounts our governments are putting in now.

We need to make a dramatic shift in how we think and how we act.

We need our governments to take a leadership role in this change. We as consumers can make small changes which when put together make large changes, but we need the help of our governments to push industry, to push change.

Your answer of not knowing is bu**sh** by the way. How can you not know? Look outside, look around you, the world is going for a sh** and we are watching it happen.

You cannot put your head in the sand and hope that it will go away.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Jason1

Pumping tons and tons of green house gases into the atmosphere is not helping. We have to cut back our emissions in all areas, residential, transportation, industrial,, etc.

Why please?
Are you prepared to become a vegitarian? (I'm sure that sounds rediculous but trust me it's fair question)

Originally Posted by Jason1

We need to put serious money into research of alternative fuels, not the "token" amounts our governments are putting in now.

What alternative fuels?
-for example does that include nuclear power plants? Why or why not?

Is it government's responsility to fund said research?

Originally Posted by Jason1

We need to make a dramatic shift in how we think and how we act.

Based on what?
I'm not trying to goad you only find out why you think this so we can explore the issue.

Originally Posted by Jason1

We need our governments to take a leadership role in this change. We as consumers can make small changes which when put together make large changes, but we need the help of our governments to push industry, to push change.

What is a better driver of change?
government or competition?

Originally Posted by Jason1

Your answer of not knowing is bu**sh** by the way. How can you not know? Look outside, look around you, the world is going for a **** and we are watching it happen.

I have only lived appx 5 decades. Any perceived Climate Change over this extremely small time frame is irrelevant. If you don't agree, please explain.
Do you remember "the coming ice age" scare of 30 years ago? I do.