Need to know????

[Michael Larson]

George thanks.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Michael:

from quote: "Were you aware that the total man made CO2 increase in the atmosphere over the last 150 years is just that, one ten-thousandth of total atmosphere?"

So what??? This figure is inconsequential and a smoke screen. When looked at from another and maybe the most important parameter- the % increase- you get a look at what may really be going on. Throw the above figure on the uninformed and it looks impressive. Look at these figures:

"Carbon dioxide levels are now 27 percent higher than at any point in the last 650,000 years, according to research into Antarctic ice cores published on Thursday in Science."

Since 1750, atmospheric levels of CO2 have been increasied from about 280 ppm to about 370 ppm, an increase of 32%.

If its a natural increase in the earth's temps and it continues, we're going to be in deep doodoo. Stop this bantering now and head to the major cities at sea level to build dykes. A recent study said some of the markers like disappearing sea ice have reached levels originally predicted to happen years from now, like 2030. Things are happening faster!!! Your expert should get his *** off the podium and help now, even if his thesis was right.

From the US Energy Information Administration:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/1605/ggccebro/chapter1.html

Can the so many be wrong now and the so few correct?

[George A. H. Luck]

"Can the so many be wrong now and the so few correct?"

Yes.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

George:

What say you about a natural rise that we have no control over and will cause trillions of $$$ damage/relocation of populations? This will cost us all. Should we prepare now or wait till its to late and water is in our basements?

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

George:

What say you about a natural rise that we have no control over and will cause trillions of $$$ damage/relocation of populations? This will cost us all. Should we prepare now or wait till its to late and water is in our basements?

Brian, I invite you to go back and read the thread from the beginning as much of this has been discussed.

After that or before if you choose, comment on the following.

You infer that we should prepare now- prepare for what exactly?

Please offer any evidence you have that this would be cost effective and that the money could not be better spent on other more helpful things.

With regard to the comment that the CO2 stat is misleading-Why is the percentage increase in CO2 considered more significant from your perspective?

[George A. H. Luck]

"What say you about a natural rise that we have no control over and will cause trillions of $$$ damage/relocation of populations?"

We should react to hyperbole?



"This will cost us all. Should we prepare now or wait till its to late and water is in our basements?"

And again, we should react to hyperbole? As michael said , read the thread.

[Michael Larson]

Well I guess the issue is now settled being that the U.S. Speaker of the House of Representatives has spoken.
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Pelosi: Climate Change Is a Reality

May 28, 7:36 PM (ET)

By GEIR MOULSON


BERLIN (AP) - House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Monday she led a congressional delegation to Greenland, where lawmakers saw "firsthand evidence that climate change is a reality," and she hoped the Bush administration would consider a new path on the issue.
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Has the thought occurred to anyone that the current warming of Greenland may be returning it to "more normal" conditions?
Of course "normal" is hard to define for most people. Aren't we glad the Ms. Pelosi has decided for us?

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Well I guess the issue is now settled being that the U.S. Speaker of the House of Representatives has spoken.
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Pelosi: Climate Change Is a Reality

May 28, 7:36 PM (ET)

By GEIR MOULSON


BERLIN (AP) - House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Monday she led a congressional delegation to Greenland, where lawmakers saw "firsthand evidence that climate change is a reality," and she hoped the Bush administration would consider a new path on the issue.
Story Link


Has the thought occurred to anyone that the current warming of Greenland may be returning it to "more normal" conditions?
Of course "normal" is hard to define for most people. Aren't we glad the Ms. Pelosi has decided for us?

No not really when a politician says some thing I look around real close to see why they have said that and why are they trying to get me to look in that direction .
I tend to look the other way to see what they are hiding.
They some times tell the truth but so often evade that I tend to disbelieve what they say most of the time .

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by rcooke

No not really when a politician says some thing I look around real close to see why they have said that and why are they trying to get me to look in that direction .
I tend to look the other way to see what they are hiding.
They some times tell the truth but so often evade that I tend to disbelieve what they say most of the time .

Well said Roy, We are in agreement with regard to politicians speaking.

[Michael Larson]

India Rejects Global Warming Hysteria, Says Kyoto Hurts Economy, Worsens Poverty

Posted by Noel Sheppard on May 29, 2007 - 10:07. As global warming alarmists in the media and on tour buses enflame hysteria concerning a nonexistent climate crisis, there is an inconvenient truth they routinely ignore: carbon dioxide emission reductions will hurt economies across the globe while worsening poverty.
This seemingly immutable fact, which continually eludes the deluded such as soon-to-be-Dr. Al Gore and his band of not so merry sycophants, is understood by India which has up to this point refused to participate in any emissions requirements set forth by the United Nations.
As reported by Australia’s Herald Sun Tuesday (h/t Benny Peiser):

INDIA says it will reject proposals to limit greenhouse gas emissions at a summit meeting of the world's leading economies next month because stricter limits would slow its booming economy.
“Legally mandated measures for reducing greenhouse gas emissions are likely to have significant adverse impacts on GDP growth of developing countries, including India,” environment ministry secretary Pradipto Ghosh said.
“This in turn will have serious implications for our poverty alleviation programs,” he said.
“Legal mandates on greenhouse gas mitigation in any form will impact our growth, and this is not the path we wish to pursue.”

In reality, many economists around the world have been saying this for years. For instance, Julian Moore of the International Policy Network said the following on “Larry King Live” in January:

If you restrict emissions of carbon dioxide, you slow down economic development, you prevent the poorest people in the world from being able to adapt to the problems that they currently face, the many millions of people who currently die from preventable diseases.

Unfortunately, this side of the argument is rarely shared by a media much more interested in presenting fear rather than facts.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Has the thought occurred to anyone that the current warming of Greenland may be returning it to "more normal" conditions?

Michael: were you on Greenland over the last 100 millenia or so recording what was going on there. Are you a paleobotanist, geologist, etc. How can you hypothesize what "normal" conditions are there? All that was said is "climate change is a reality". If it continues in the same trend, natural, manmade or a bit of both, we have some big problems coming especially if this thing is accelerating as some have recently claimed.

Look at the shrinking glaciers over most of the world, thinning artic ice, melting permafrost. How bad will it get? don't know but sitting around with heads stuck where the sun don't shine will not help, if the worst case happens. You folks in the states always try to prepare for the worst tornadoes and hurricanes but they only happen maybe 5% of the time. See how much that sets you back if you're ready for them.

[rwand1]

Why is this whole topic in the Canadian Section? It doesn't even relate to home inspections in Canada, or the USA. Why not put it where it belongs in Misc. Discussion? This whole topic does not relate to home inspections one iota!

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

Michael: were you on Greenland over the last 100 millenia or so recording what was going on there.

Thanks for making my point Brian.

I assume you were not there either.

When Greenland had inhabitants, livestock and was actively farmed I imagine the folks there considered the climate at the time "normal".

What makes the present "normal" the right one?
When you can answer that we can have a serious discussion.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Why is this whole topic in the Canadian Section? It doesn't even relate to home inspections in Canada, or the USA. Why not put it where it belongs in Misc. Discussion? This whole topic does not relate to home inspections one iota!

Sorry Raymond.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by mlarson

What makes the present "normal" the right one?
When you can answer that we can have a serious discussion.

I did not say the present was normal. That's your question and slant on things.

Climate change is a reality and it's moving in a way that may cause some major disruptions. For a small example, lyme disease, which is very common in Mass, Conn and was only in the very southern part of Nova Scotia, was recently found in Cape Breton Island at the northern section. I've been here for 15 years and every year or 2, this disease which is common in warmer climates is found farther north here. A sign of climate warming allowing the carrier, a wood tick, to move north ???