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[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

I did not say the present was normal. That's your question and slant on things..............I've been here for 15 years and every year or 2, this disease which is common in warmer climates is found farther north here. A sign of climate warming allowing the carrier, a wood tick, to move north ???

You avoid the question. If you think we should do whatever it takes to keep the climate as it is now that implies that current(or recent) climate conditions are the "normal" you want to preserve(or return to). Have I misunderstood you?

What if I wanted to return to the conditions of the last ice age. Would that be acceptable?
It would certainly reduce the range of the tick you seem concerned with.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

You avoid the question.

The question is stupid. You wouldn't ask "What's normal" in another potential danger such a big surge of floodwater coming down a river and eventually threatening to flood your home........or maybe you would!!!!!

[Michael Larson]

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Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

You avoid the question.

The question is stupid. You wouldn't ask "What's normal" in another potential danger such a big surge of floodwater coming down a river and eventually threatening to flood your home........or maybe you would!!!!!

Still avoiding it Brian.
An impending disaster cannot be compared to computer model generated projections that may or may not happen and take centuries to occur.

If you can't answer the "what's normal" question, try this one.

Why should we spend resources to combat "global warming" when the money could be spent to actually improve people's lives in in underdeveloped countries?

(If you have read this thread you may already know my opinion.)

[klott]

News flash, the climate has been warming since the ice age. The volcano puts out more gases than all of mankind. The undersea volcanic eruptions are warming the worlds oceans. If the north pole completely melted, it would not raise the sea level at all. Zero, nada, not 1 bit. The planet is going to burn up and man is not going to do it and cannot stop it. The global warming craze is fueled by greed. I wonder if Al's computer crashed in 2000. He is trying to avenge his loss in the election. IMO

[Brian A. MacNeish]

If the north pole completely melted, it would not raise the sea level at all. Zero, nada, not 1 bit.

A very true fact, Ken, but the north polar ice cap is already fully in the water and accounted for by Archimedes Principle (he was smarter than most people today and lived 2250 years ago). It's totally out of context......a fact that doesn't matter for sea levels but will do in a lot of wildlife like polar bears. They're already having a harder time to find food as there are less ice floes and more open water......they have to swim more for food.

Can you calculate the results of the mountain glaciers, Greenland's and Antartica's ice caps melting. They are up out of the water and presently contribute very little to the oceans levels. Some are speaking of meters of sea rise. See the map of south Florida if the sea rises even 1 meter. Bye-bye, Keys!!

As to others who consider this hyperbole, I'll have to mention some other hyperbole (or am I confusing real life with the movies?).

-A large asteroid may hit the earth some day
-Ice caps covered down into the States
-The Champlain Sea covered a lot of Quebec, Ontario, upstate NY and a bit of a few other states
-The earth's magnetic poles are constantly moving; north and south have reversed many times

Sounds like hyperbole to the uneducated but as you know, it's all fact

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

......a fact that doesn't matter for sea levels but will do in a lot of wildlife like polar bears. They're already having a harder time to find food as there are less ice floes and more open water......they have to swim more for food.

Is the polar bear population increasing or decreasing?
Increasing-http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0503/p...gi.html?page=1
Increasing-http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/inte...m?id=143012005
We don't know-http://environment.newscientist.com/...change/dn11656

Of course that hasn't stopped the polar bear being annointed as the poster child for climate change.

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

-A large asteroid may hit the earth some day
-Ice caps covered down into the States
-The Champlain Sea covered a lot of Quebec, Ontario, upstate NY and a bit of a few other states
-The earth's magnetic poles are constantly moving; north and south have reversed many times

What is your point?

[klott]

I agree with most of what you said, and no I cannot determine how much ice and snow are on land, I'm not that smart, but given the small percentage compared to the water coverage of the earth, I don't believe it would be meters. Frankly I think the only way the water level would rise to a threatening level would be if the earths rotation was speeded up, causing all the subterranean water to the surface by hydraulic action caused by centrifugal force, as happened at the time of the flood. In the bible 1 year is missing at the time of the flood, which I believe is proof that the earths rotation doubled. Or the water level could rise dramatically if we were to have more eartquakes like the one that caused the great sunami, when the ocean floor rose up over 4000 ft. in ten minutes, in one part of the Indian ocean. And when God destroys the earth with fire this time, we will definitely experience global warming, big time, and there is nothing we can do to stop it. Yes I believe the climate is getting warmer, I just don't think man is responsible for it. IMHO

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

..Some are speaking of meters of sea rise. See the map of south Florida if the sea rises even 1 meter.

Please tell us how long that will take Brian. I assume you know.

[klott]

Brian wrote:See the map of south Florida if the sea rises even 1 meter. Bye-bye, Keys!!
This just means the cubans would have to go home, and the elections would be over in one day! I have no problem with either. Insert wink and smile here!

[George A. H. Luck]

"Michael: were you on Greenland over the last 100 millenia or so recording what was going on there. Are you a paleobotanist, geologist, etc. "
As has been illustrated in this thread earlier, the melting of the greenland glacier has revealed areas of prehistoric farming including grains, vine crops and other plant life that is native to warmer climates. ( please read the preceding pages)

"How can you hypothesize what "normal" conditions are there? All that was said is "climate change is a reality". If it continues in the same trend, natural, manmade or a bit of both, we have some big problems coming especially if this thing is accelerating as some have recently claimed."

The only normality is the constant change in the environment. It is not a static thing no matter how much environmentalists want it to be. The geologic record gives clear evidence to support this.


"Look at the shrinking glaciers over most of the world,"

Only three percent of the earths glaciers have been studied and not all of them are shrinking. (This point was made earlier in this thread)

"thinning artic ice, melting permafrost. How bad will it get? don't know but sitting around with heads stuck where the sun don't shine will not help, if the worst case happens."

Speaking of sun shine, seems that the sun shine is heating up the other planets too. Ask Al Gore if man is responsible for this too.

"You folks in the states always try to prepare for the worst tornadoes and hurricanes but they only happen maybe 5% of the time. See how much that sets you back if you're ready for them."

Non sequitar

[Jason1]

I am so happy you guys have all the answers, why are we wasting time and money on science for?

[Jason1]

You guys crack me up, a bunch of home inspectors talking like experts on climate change.

It's like hiring your butcher to do your home inspection. lol lol

Home owners are supposed to hire professional home inspectors to tell them about their home, well it goes both ways and I will trust the educated opinions of climate scientists with the IPCC to give me a professional opinion on climate change.

Thanks for all your opinions though.

ROTFLMAO..........

[klott]

You don't have to be an expert or a scientist, to possess discernment and common sense. As a matter of fact, many scientist lack both. Are you not a home inspector? If you are, then why are you talking about this subject, if it's wrong for us to do so?

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by Jason1

You guys crack me up, a bunch of home inspectors talking like experts on climate change.

It's like hiring your butcher to do your home inspection. lol lol

Home owners are supposed to hire professional home inspectors to tell them about their home, well it goes both ways and I will trust the educated opinions of climate scientists with the IPCC to give me a professional opinion on climate change.

Thanks for all your opinions though.

ROTFLMAO..........

WOW! talk about a turn coat .
You have talked on many things trying to get others to agree with your openion .
You said to me how surprised you where that I did not agree with your post .
You have many times over the years voiced your thoughts on things that had little to do with inspections.

[Michael Larson]

Top NASA Chief Questions Need to Combat Global Warming

"I have no doubt that a trend of global warming exists," Griffin told Inskeep. "I am not sure that it is fair to say that it is a problem we must wrestle with."
"To assume that it is a problem is to assume that the state of Earth's climate today is the optimal climate, the best climate that we could have or ever have had and that we need to take steps to make sure that it doesn't change," Griffin said. "I guess I would ask which human beings — where and when — are to be accorded the privilege of deciding that this particular climate that we have right here today, right now is the best climate for all other human beings. I think that's a rather arrogant position for people to take."
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