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Old 10/16/07, 1:31 PM
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lol...Henry Kissinger was Sec of State. To the best of my recollection, the position has nothing to do with bombing anyone let alone Cambodia. Henry is not one of my favorite people either. Like most of the Washington elites, on both sides of the political spectrum, he is a pompous, self serving politician. To use him doesn't hurt my position at all, only bolsters it. The NPP is a joke and has been for decades.



"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth a war, is worse. A man who has nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance at being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

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Old 10/16/07, 1:37 PM
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l..... Like most of the Washington elites, on both sides of the political spectrum, he is a pompous, self serving politician...........
Seems to be a trait of most in politics.
The power goes to their heads and they forget that they really aren't that special.

This is why I am convinced that we would all be better off if ALL incumbents lost and a new crop was ushered in without all the baggage they have accumulated over the years.

I can dream can't I?

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Old 10/16/07, 2:24 PM
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Michael,
I agree wholeheartedly. The founding Fathers saw these as Representatives of the citizens of their districts, in a sense they were to "serve" while the rest of us went on with the business of running our country. Once it became a profession, those in office took it upon themselves to become the ruling class and forgot their purpose. Being able to grant oneself a pay raise, perks and privileges not available to the rest of the citizens, making themselves exempt from the laws and ordinances just further proves it is out of control. We ought to have term limits as many States have so we are ensured of a changing of the guard. They stay in office too long in most cases, get ensconsed and become too close to the lobbyists and special interest groups because they get their largest contributions thru them, illegally and legally. These are the same people who gave us the Tax Codes. The lines between the branches of the Government have been blurred and we have Speaker of House going off on her own to foreign countries making policies outside her authority and no one does anything. Sorry, got a little long winded there.



"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth a war, is worse. A man who has nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance at being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

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Old 10/16/07, 2:44 PM
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....... We ought to have term limits as many States have so we are ensured of a changing of the guard.....
Doug, while agree with your sentiments we actually do have the power to limit their terms.

The problem as I see it is that we always think it's the other guys Representative that's the problem and fail to make changes by voting for someone else.

Incumbents are almost alway re-elected and they do everyting to make sure it stays that way. The desire for institutionalized term limits is a reaction to the frustration many of us feel. It will never happen because those in power will not let it happen. The only hope is for an informed electorate that is willing to throw all the bums out. (in short-we're screwed)
I'm sorry but that hope was dashed(at least for me) when Bill Clinton was re-elected in 1996. These people simply will not go away.

In the mean time-Think happy thoughts and move forward with your life and business.
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Old 10/16/07, 3:46 PM
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Agree. You have to wonder what alternate universe the constituents of Kennedy, Byrd and others of their ilk (and to be fair; Trent Lott, and other lifetime politicians on both sides of the aisle) live in though, that they keep those people in office for life. I already know the answer....they bring home the bacon, er, I mean pork and that is the core of the problem.



"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth a war, is worse. A man who has nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance at being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

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Old 10/16/07, 3:58 PM
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.....I already know the answer....they bring home the bacon, er, I mean pork and that is the core of the problem.
That and machine politics. You know the "mind numbed robot stuff" that some are always accusing the other of.

Now ask yourself - who is the mind numbed robot?

-one who care and tries to understands the issues the best they can

OR

-One who waits for someone to tell them what to think and how to vote
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Old 10/16/07, 7:50 PM
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1973 The prize was awarded jointly to:
HENRY A. KISSINGER , Secretary of State, State Department, Washington.
LE DUC THO , Democratic Republic of Viet Nam. (Declined the prize.)
for jointly negotiating the Vietnam peace accord in 1973.

The LIST
I think Kissinger got extra credit for helping Pinochet in Chile.
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Old 10/16/07, 8:04 PM
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I think Kissinger got extra credit for helping Pinochet in Chile.
I would be less than surprised if William Jefferson Clinton gets it next.

Not going to war even when you should have is promoting peace isn't it?
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Old 10/16/07, 8:10 PM
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I would be less than surprised if William Jefferson Clinton gets it next.

Not going to war even when you should have is promoting peace isn't it?
Everything is always Clinton with you, kinda a one trick pony.
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Old 10/16/07, 8:12 PM
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Everything is always Clinton with you, kinda a one trick pony.
Well, "there you go again"

Carter already got his so that horse has left the barn.

I really only want the Clintons and their ilk to diminish in importance among the electorate.
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Old 10/18/07, 4:19 PM
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Category: Follow the Money or Ethanol subdidies are PORK

Junkman Steve Milloy Responds to Shrill Claims of Ethanol Lobbyists - WASHINGTON, Oct. 17 -- Speaking to the Cellulosic Ethanol Summit taking place in Washington DC, Renewable Fuels Association president Bob Dinneen issued a statement which may be read here:

Rather than addressing issues such as rising processed food prices due to grain price increases, rising meat prices due to grain price hikes, water pollution caused by increased pesticide and fertilizer use, soil erosion and taxpayer concerns about rising subsidies, Mr. Dinneen chose to attack the "nattering nabobs of negativity" who voice legitimate concerns about his industry's agenda.

Steve Milloy, publisher of JunkScience.com, remarked that, "We acknowledge that stupid subsidies exist, they are pork and pork is part of politics. We understand that even if we don't like it. Ethanol advocates declare in the most sanctimonious manner imaginable that ethanol isn't pork, that it is, in fact, the morally, socially, economically, environmentally-sound fuel of the future. They verge on hysteria when they tell you about the so-called Brazilian miracle, which actually boils down to fueling cheap, tiny cars in 2 Brazilian cities. They become apoplectic over the carbon imprint of gasoline, conveniently forgetting how much fossil fuel is needed to produce their miracle fuel. They sold ethanol to the public not as pork, but as the fuel that will transform industrial economies and make the world a better place. Now, Bob Dinneen of the Renewable Fuels Association is on the verge of a hissy fit demanding governmental protection and financial assistance to protect his lobby from an 'insidious campaign' by his critics. Dinneen doesn't understand that when you change the image of a product from pork to a marketable item, the marketplace decides what to do with it. He needs to calm down, stop the rent-seeking and convince Wall Street that ethanol isn't an organic black hole. (JunkScience.com)
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Old 10/21/07, 5:06 PM
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Category:What not to worry

BE NOT AFRAID

Global Warming Delusions
The popular imagination has been captured by beliefs that have little scientific basis.

BY DANIEL B. BOTKIN
Sunday, October 21, 2007 12:01 a.m. EDT

Global warming doesn't matter except to the extent that it will affect life--ours and that of all living things on Earth. And contrary to the latest news, the evidence that global warming will have serious effects on life is thin. Most evidence suggests the contrary.

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Old 10/21/07, 7:36 PM
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In case you missed John Stossel on the "Give me a Break" segment of 20/20 last Friday.

Stossel- GMAB - Al Gore Global Warming Myth

Pay special atention to time starting at about -7:03

Do your kids and grandkids have these same thoughts?

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Old 10/21/07, 8:04 PM
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In case you missed John Stossel on the "Give me a Break" segment of 20/20 last Friday.

Stossel- GMAB - Al Gore Global Warming Myth

Pay special atention to time starting at about -7:03

Do your kids and grandkids have these same thoughts?
Thanks Michael Much appreciated .
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Old 10/21/07, 10:43 PM
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Michael, I was just wondering, isn't it true that no named hurricanes ( or possibly ANY hurricanes) have hit the United States this year to date? I thought that this was going to be a record year for storms lashing the continental U.S. What happened to all those mega-storms that were to be created by man made global warming?

I have been cruising around the Carribean for the last week and haven't seen any hurricanes yet. Could uncle Al be mistaken?
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