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[Michael Larson]

2007 tropical storms and hurricanes

[George A. H. Luck]

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[Michael Larson]

Category: Al Gore's inconveient Truth

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35 Inconvenient Truths

The errors in Al Gore’s movie

As many as 35 serious scientific errors or exaggerations, all pointing towards invention of a threat that does not exist at all, or exaggerations of phenomena that do exist, do not reflect credit on the presenter of the movie or on those who advised him. The movie is unsuitable for showing to children, and provides no basis for taking policy decisions. Schools that have shown the movie to children are urged to ensure that the errors listed in this memorandum are drawn to the children’s attention.

[Michael Larson]

I'll be unable to watch this tonight due to another commitment.
Let's see what CNN's take on global warming is. Though I have to admit the title alone pretty much gives one a big clue.
Watch it and see if it gives opposing views any credibility.


Planet in Peril: CNN Documentary Promises First-Hand Accounts of Environmental Strife
In a documentary about the threats to the world's environment, CNN takes viewers to places where environmental change is not a theory or just a future forecast, but a crisis happening in real time.
Planet in Peril airs over two nights on CNN/U.S. on Tuesday, Oct. 23, and Wednesday, Oct. 24, 2007

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

A clog in the world's carbon dioxide 'sinks'

Nature is having a harder time absorbing greenhouse-gas emissions, which may increase the pace of global warming, research shows


MARTIN MITTELSTAEDT
From Tuesday's Globe and Mail
October 23, 2007 at 4:30 AM EDT

The capacity of the world's oceans and land to absorb carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere by industrial activity is diminishing, raising the possibility that global warming will happen more rapidly and will be more dramatic than is currently anticipated, a new research paper says.
The paper, by an international team of scientists and published yesterday in the online edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, says nature's reduced ability to remove carbon dioxide that humans are adding to the atmosphere, along with surging world economic growth, explain why atmospheric concentrations of the gas rose in the 2000-2006 period at the most rapid seven-year pace since modern record keeping began in 1959.
"All of these changes characterize a carbon cycle that is generating stronger-than-expected and sooner-than-expected climate forcing," the paper concludes.
Carbon dioxide concentrations are at the highest level in the past 650,000 years, and probably the past 20 million years, according to the paper.
About half of the carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere by human activity is later absorbed by water in the ocean and plants on land, a process that has led scientists to dub them "sinks." This natural process has blunted the full impact of greenhouse-gas emissions from human activity on the world climate.
The failure of the oceans and land to absorb as much carbon dioxide as they once did is being attributed to global warming, and is raising the worrisome possibility that this could lead to a cycle of weather destabilization that could cause the pace of warming to accelerate, according to one of the study authors.
"It's a positive feedback whereby sinks appear to be responding to global warming in a way that increases global warming," said Corinne Le Quéré, a researcher at the University of East Anglia in the United Kingdom, and at the British Antarctic Survey. "It's not good news."
Dr. Le Quéré said the rapid growth in the atmosphere's carbon dioxide concentration in the seven-year period was "beyond the worst scenarios" outlined by most experts and indicates that getting the threat of climate change under control will be more difficult than expected.
The research team also included scientists based in Australia, the United States, France and Austria.
The paper says the large number of major droughts in mid-latitude regions from 2002-2005 cut plant growth, leading to the reduced carbon dioxide uptake on land. When plants grow, they remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. In the oceans, global warming has caused increased wind around the Antarctic Ocean, churning up carbon rich waters that are normally isolated from the atmosphere.
The amount of carbon dioxide staying in the atmosphere is about 5 per cent more than expected, based on the trends observed since the late 1950s.
If the reduced ability of nature to remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere weren't worrisome enough, the paper says carbon emissions due to the burning of fossil fuels have increased significantly.
So far this century, emissions have surged 3.3 per cent a year, more than double the 1.3 per cent annual growth rate of the 1990s, and the most rapid pace of increase since the beginning of the industrial revolution more than 200 years ago.
The paper says carbon dioxide releases last year were 35 per cent above the 1990 level.
Part of the reason for the rapid rise is the burgeoning economies in many developing countries, including China and India.
However, the paper notes that for the first time in more than three decades, emissions of carbon dioxide are rising more rapidly that the world's economic growth rate.
Most experts have assumed that as the world economy grows, it would require less in the way of fossil fuels to produce each unit of output, as businesses introduce energy-saving and energy-efficiency measures.
This trend of reduced carbon dioxide to produce goods was observed from 1970 to about 2000, but has since reversed.
"The recent combination of rapidly increasing emissions and deteriorating carbon intensity of [global economic output] amplifies the challenge of stabilizing atmosphere CO{-2}," the paper says.

New Feature

[Michael Larson]

[quote=rcooke].... Carbon dioxide concentrations are at the highest level in the past 650,000 years, and probably the past 20 million years, according to the paper......[quote]

The planet has been here before.

The blue line below is CO2 as Nov. of 2005 and going back 600,000 years as you proceed to the right.
Draw your own conclusions on how significant this new data is.

Source

[Michael Larson]

Category:Words of Wisdom and Reality

The mammoth government we have today is a result of politicians rushing to solve "crises" by creating and empowering new federal agencies.
Whether it's hunger, poverty or homelessness, in the end, the poor are always with us, but now we have something else always with us: scores of thousands of federal bureaucrats and armies of academics to study the problem and assess the progress, with all their pay and benefits provided by our tax dollars.
Cal Coolidge said that when you see 10 troubles coming up the road toward you, sometimes the best thing to do is nothing, because nine of them will fall into the ditch before they get to you. And so it will be with global warming, if we don't sell out America to the hucksters who would save us.

Source article

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by mlarson

The planet has been here before.

Draw your own conclusions on how significant this new data is.

Michael:

What was the population of humans then and what % were in permanent settlements?

Can you tell me anything about what happened to climate, sea level, species extinction in each of these "high" periods. How many of our ancestors had built immovable cities and habitations at or below sea level then and had trillions invested in agriculture, etc around the world- all depending on a somewhat stable climate? I am too busy to do any in depth research on the changes scientists are reporting now, but the little I do here on radio/TV tell me something is happening much faster than predicted!!

Can your country constantly repair itself from catostrophic hurricanes, fires every 2-3 years, and coming water shortages (well, some of us are near there now)? (Hint about the future: the sector of the Dow that has surpassed most, if not all others in growth over the past 10-15 years, is the water and water technology. GE has made acquisitions of proprietary membrane companies and such. They have not been much of a laggard over the years and know where the future $$$ will come from!!!)

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

What was the population of humans then and what % were in permanent settlements?

I'm not sure I am understanding your point.

The way I see it , if the planet has had similar high concentrations of CO2 in the past when ther were far fewer people, how can the activiity of the current population be blamed for the high concentrations now?

[Kenneth Lott]

Of course the climate is warming, it has been since the last Ice age. I have a source who tells me it is going to get much, much worse. And there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about it. Most of the current deceptions going on are to sneak in technology that is use already on a much broader scale,(Nuclear) to meet the worlds energy needs. Everybody wants cheap energy, but no one wants a Nuclear power plant in their backyard. They don't want landfields, quarrys, or airports either. But they want the garbage hauled off, paved driveways and they don't want to drive for 3 days, so they fly. Everyone wants our government to free us from our dependence on foreign countries to supply oil, but nobody wants the inherent risk associated with this freedom. So here is how I see it, "If you can't reason with them, then scare them into submission."

[Michael Larson]

Ken,

As in all change, there are usually winners and loosers.
We'd be foolish not to use the resources we have availablw to us. And yes that means nuclear, oil and coal that we have in abundace.
If we ever get serious about energy independance these are the options. It's not going to happen by building more "feel good" windmills and ethanol plants.

Dang mobile keyboard

[Kenneth Lott]

I agree

[Michael Larson]

Followup on CNN's Planet in Peril special.

Looks like they played a bit loose with some important facts.


(JunkScienc.coM)
CNN's Planet In Peril is drawing fire - we've had several correspondents highlight false assertions, the most common being 40% loss of Greenland's ice sheet in the past 40 years. This is of course utter nonsense (people would have noticed a sea level rise of ~8 feet since 1967, don't you think?). Presumably Cooper has confused Arctic sea ice with Greenland's land-borne ice shield but the differences are profound. To reduce Greenland's ice shield to that extent, according to IPCC estimates, would require a sustained warming of >5 °C for something over a thousand years.

The other error exciting people is the claim, apparently by CU's Konrad Steffen, that "we have never seen a temperature rise in Greenland that drastic". Perhaps he needs to read Chylek et al, Greenland warming of 1920-1930 and 1995-2005 - Abstract: We provide an analysis of Greenland temperature records to compare the current (1995-2005) warming period with the previous (1920-1930) Greenland warming. We find that the current Greenland warming is not unprecedented in recent Greenland history. Temperature increases in the two warming periods are of a similar magnitude, however, the rate of warming in 1920-1930 was about 50% higher than that in 1995 - 2005. [em added]
"CNN’s ‘Planet in Peril’ Fails to Mention Soros Funding of NASA Scientist" - "CNN’s special “worldwide investigation” “Planet in Peril,” in two segments looking at the debate amongst politicians and scientists on whether climate change is a man-made phenomenon, failed to mention that NASA scientist Dr. James Hansen, one the scientists featured in the second segment, has received funding from George Soros, while mentioning that “second biggest contributors to [global warming skeptic Senator James] Inhofe's Senate office are energy and natural resource companies.” (News Busters)

[relliott]

Us Home inspectors have it figured out.
who needs scientists?

[Michael Larson]

Category: The Sky is Falling)aka Chicken Little)

The anti people/population folks at the U.N. just keep coming up with more scary stories.

PARIS: The human population is living far beyond its means and inflicting damage on the environment that could pass points of no return, according to a major report issued Thursday by the United Nations.
Climate change, the rate of extinction of species and the challenge of feeding a growing population are among the threats putting humanity at risk, the UN Environment Program said in its fourth Global Environmental Outlook since 1997.
"The human population is now so large that the amount of resources needed to sustain it exceeds what is available at current consumption patterns," Achim Steiner, the executive director of the program, said in a telephone interview. Efficient use of resources and reducing waste now are "among the greatest challenges at the beginning of 21st century," he said.
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I have been hearing of the Earth's "over population" condition for over 40 years.

Yet some how we have managed to feed most of the people and raise the global standard of living anyway. Where that hasn't happened, it has more to do with corrupt political regimes and war than with anything else.