Need to know????

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Here's one to keep you going for a few weeks, Michael:

"Canada's trees are adding to green houses gases".......Was quite prominent in last nights news.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

Here's one to keep you going for a few weeks, Michael:

"Canada's trees are adding to green houses gases".......Was quite prominent in last nights news.

I already read it. Damn pine beetles.

[Michael Larson]

Brian,

I also read recently that there is over 6 Trillion barrels of oil in Alberta.

That's like a 100 years worth and current rates of consumption.

What should we do?

It is certainly cost effective to get it at current prices.
There is no shortage of oil.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Brian,

I also read recently that there is over 6 Trillion barrels of oil in Alberta.
How much recoverable?

That's like a 100 years worth and current rates of consumption.

What should we do?

It is certainly cost effective to get it at current prices.
There is no shortage of oil.

But there is a shortage of water and natural gas needed.

They're already fighting with ranchers, farmers and cities/towns about water needed to get the oil out of the biggest find......the oil sands. And if you US folks want to give up the cheap natgas we sell you to be used for oils sands extraction............??????

About 3 years ago, the longtime very conservative government there intervened without notice and "locked in" the gas wells of very many PRIVATE companies near the area so they'd have gas for oil extraction.

Its like most petroleum nowadays......It won't come easy or cheap!!!

[Michael Larson]

Didn't say it was easy or cheap. But there is plenty available.

The world is not running out of energy.

But that's not what the greens keep saying.

They play on people's fears and emotions and have done so for the last 40 years.

Right now they are in the ascendancy but their time will fade when all the sheep wake up and see the real economic damage they have done and the millions they have attempted to deny a better life and the millions who have already died from following their prescriptions.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Didn't say it was easy or cheap. But there is plenty available.

The world is not running out of energy.

But that's not what the greens keep saying.

They play on people's fears and emotions and have done so for the last 40 years.

Right now they are in the ascendancy but their time will fade when all the sheep wake up and see the real economic damage they have done
List some of this damage.

and the millions they have attempted to deny a better life
How......... by wanting unions, minimum wage laws, environmental protection, making companies responsible for cleaning up after themselves.
Why are jobs in the carpet industry, that left Canada to go to South Carolina, now going to Mexico? There are few laws to protect workers/environment and you can pay next to nothing. AAHH!! Nothing like good old "free enterprise" to take advantage of the worker!!!

and the millions who have already died from following their prescriptions.

Oh yeah!!! trying to ban DDT which put many bird species at risk including the Bald Eagle:

Status of the bald eagle - On June 28, 2007 the Interior Department took the American bald eagle off the endangered species list.
By the 1930s, people became aware of the diminishing bald eagle population, and in 1940 the Bald Eagle Act was passed. This reduced the harassment by humans, and eagle populations began to recover. However, at the same time DDT and other pesticides began to be widely used. Pesticides sprayed on plants were eaten by small animals, which were later consumed by birds of prey. The DDT poison harmed both the adult birds and the eggs that they laid. The egg shells became too thin to with stand the incubation period, and were often crushed. Eggs that were not crushed during incubation often did not hatch, due to high levels of DDT and its derivatives. Large quantities of DDT were discovered in the fatty tissues and gonads of dead bald eagles, which may have caused them to become infertile.

[Michael Larson]

Correlation does not imply causation.

Banning DDT did not save the Eagle. That supposition was discredited years ago.

Banning DDT however is responsible for the death of millions from malaria.

Banning a cheap effective mostly benign chemical is just one of the legacies of the green/environmental movement.

I'd say that is an extreme economic impact directly attributable to those who act on emotion and fear rather than good science.

[George A. H. Luck]

"AAHH!! Nothing like good old "free enterprise" to take advantage of the worker!!!"

I think the worker in Mexico who had no job until the big bad corporations came to town might see this a little differently.

With Brian's attitude rife in Canada's Atlantic provinces it is no wonder they have the highest unemployment rate in the country and the smallest industrial base. Go figure

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Correlation does not imply causation.

Banning DDT did not save the Eagle. That supposition was discredited years ago.

Banning DDT however is responsible for the death of millions from malaria.

Banning a cheap effective mostly benign chemical is just one of the legacies of the green/environmental movement.

I'd say that is an extreme economic impact directly attributable to those who act on emotion and fear rather than good science.

Michael:

What kind of doubletalk is this from a DDT proponent??

"Indoor residual spraying simply doesn't harm people or the environment," said Paul Driessen, senior fellow at the Congress on Racial Equality. "Trained specialists apply small amounts of DDT, under carefully controlled programs that safeguard the supplies, transportation, and use of the insecticide. Only the walls and eaves of houses are sprayed, once or twice a year. The chemical is not sprayed outdoors. So the chance of any DDT getting onto crops or flowers is almost zero."

Why is he worried about getting DDT into the outdoors if it's not harmfuL??

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

Michael:

What kind of doubletalk is this from a DDT proponent??

"Indoor residual spraying simply doesn't harm people or the environment," said Paul Driessen, senior fellow at the Congress on Racial Equality. "Trained specialists apply small amounts of DDT, under carefully controlled programs that safeguard the supplies, transportation, and use of the insecticide. Only the walls and eaves of houses are sprayed, once or twice a year. The chemical is not sprayed outdoors. So the chance of any DDT getting onto crops or flowers is almost zero."

Why is he worried about getting DDT into the outdoors if it's not harmfuL??

This must mean you admit that the banning of DDT was an overreaction based on poor science and resulted in millions of peoples deaths.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by gluck

"AAHH!! Nothing like good old "free enterprise" to take advantage of the worker!!!"

I think the worker in Mexico who had no job until the big bad corporations came to town might see this a little differently.

With Brian's attitude rife in Canada's Atlantic provinces it is no wonder they have the highest unemployment rate in the country and the smallest industrial base. Go figure

George:
Remember when the oceans here produced millions of tons of fish yearly with no regulations and then.........there were very little fish and thousands of jobs disappeared and continue to do so. They're blaming the seals for eating all the fish now.......No, No, No!!!! We never overfished!!!

John Crosby, while being Minister of Fisheries in the last years of the decline, starting setting limits of cod catch at 1/2 of last year's catch until it was realized that "That's not working!!!". 13-15 years later the cod are still not coming back after hundreds of years of sustainable fishing. Let's harvest the rest of the world like that. About 60% of the worlds fish stocks are listed as in danger of collapse........ah! free, unfettered enterprise!!! Strip it 'til its gone!!!

[William J. Decker]

When I was a kid, the mosquito spray trucks came down my street, every week, during the summer. The totally fogged the area. It was DDT. We went out and played in the stuff. The fog lasted for 10-15 minutes before it dispursed.

Over use? Yes.

Harmful? No.

The birds still lived and flew and sang and crapped all over my Dad's car.

The DDT ban was totally political and based upon an overly emotional book (and later, a movie) written by a distraught woman who developed cancer and wanted to have someone to blame. Sad, really.

Emotional anecdotes do not constitute statistics.

Millions of Malaria deaths, on the other hand, do.

Science relies on peer reviewed, double and triple blind studies, review, refining, valid statistics and strict adhearance to the scientific method (especially in the "fuzzy subject" or biology). Anecdotal "evidence" is just plain silly.

Everyone is "entitled" to their own opinion. No one is entitled to their own facts.

Speaking as someone who has actually written and had accepted for publication in peer review journals, hope this helps.

[klott]

The solution is Balance in everything we do.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by gluck

"AAHH!! Nothing like good old "free enterprise" to take advantage of the worker!!!"

I think the worker in Mexico who had no job until the big bad corporations came to town might see this a little differently.

So George, that's alright for the auto jobs to head far south, or be shut down, as they have been. The auto industry doesn't add much to the Ontario GDP???

Or the company that invented "crocs" (originally a quebec company).....Just laid off 669 folks in Quebec City to move production to Mexico, Brazil, China and Romania.

Maybe we can help our American friends a lot more by encouraging Canadian companies to move manufacturing to Mexico where labour is real cheap and environmental & labour laws pale compared to ours. If we did enough of this then maybe the US wouldn't have an "illegal alien" problem along their common border........There we go, free enterprise solves another US problem.....we give up a lot of jobs, Mexico gets a lot of jobs, Mexicans stay put at home.......Then they'll have to start guarding the northern border from ouselves looking for work!!

With Brian's attitude rife in Canada's Atlantic provinces it is no wonder they have the highest unemployment rate in the country and the smallest industrial base. Go figure

You and Steven Harper must be good friends!!!

I see different things happening here now. I drive by a new RIM (Blackberry) manufacturing facility about every week or so. Or what about the Maritimers that now own Maple Leaf Foods and Schneider's Meats. Magna is manufacturing here......I see it different. One of the country's largest private corps is here......Maine had to essentially create an anti-Irving law as they expanded into that state......the land of the free....fighting against an expanding New Brunswick company. Look at the cymbals of many of the world's biggest music bands.......you'll see the name SABIAN.....manufactured in a little NB town called Meductic. Some of my friends/acquaintenaces from where I used to live do a lot of Ontario company ads from that little town in New Brunswick...Trimark mutual funds were one of the first to move their ads to this company.....In the Maritimes, there are 2 HRV manufacturer's that sell internationally; only 1 in Ontario........There's more but time to turn in!!

[klott]

They make good Cymbals, Sabian, that is.