Not again

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Remember Whistler
http://www.nachi.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4935

Bill has a big anouncement comming soon
http://www.nachi.org/forum/showpost.php?p=166560&postcount=103


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New Construction Inspection (NCI)
http://www.cahpi.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49&Itemi d=1
Canadian Home Inspectors - Are you currently providing inspection services on newly constructed homes?
Now available in Ontario... New Construction Inspection (NCI) Protocol and On-line Training Progra



The program focuses on performing inspections of new homes either at or after the Pre-Delivery Inspection phase. Emphasis is placed on understanding the process and working with home builders, the Tarion Warranty Program, municipalities and most importantly - homeowners, to provide value in a consistent and professional manner.

The course is now available through a self-paced online delivery format. Participants will take a timed online examination on completion of the program. Results will be available immediately after finishing the exam. Upon successful completion of the program, which includes passing the exam, participants will receive a "Letter of Completion" leading to the credential - CAHPI New Construction Inspector after successful completion of the Report Review process.

With the training program now being officially handed off to the OAHI for delivery to its members we thank all the groups and individuals that have contributed so much to this project and invite Associate & RHI members to take advantage of this training opportunity.

Visit http://www.cahpionline.ca/ today to view the course at a glance.

Please note: The Introductory Fee of $400.00+HST until April 30, 2011 is for the Pilot Phase. There is also a survey at the end of the course to help us assess any strengths and weaknesses with the course.
Starting May 01, 2011 the Regular Fee will be $500.00+HST

Registration form available on www.oahi.com (members site)

[Wand Raymond]

May be this is where the missing $60K from CAHPI went?

As I recall PHPIC is or has developed its own NCI to compete with the CAHPI-OAHI version.

[bjones5]

"Participants will take a timed online examination on completion of the program. Results will be available immediately after finishing the exam. "

Is this "online" exam proctored? Wasn't it certain CAHPI and ASHI folks biotchin about the online NACHI exam?

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by bjones5

"Participants will take a timed online examination on completion of the program. Results will be available immediately after finishing the exam. "

Is this "online" exam proctored? Wasn't it certain CAHPI and ASHI folks biotchin about the online NACHI exam?

This course is a CE course. The INACHI online course certifies one as a home inspector without any proctoring, a TIPR, mentoring, a substantial minimum # of real inspections, etc, etc. A government official (who someone claimed recently- they know nothing about home inspection) I talked to recently passed the online test first time........... he claimed he has no construction industry experience but does watch a bit of HGTV!

[Wand Raymond]

Brian J.

Yup an online course with an immediate computerized results.

Now here are a few more interesting points:

The SOP have not been amended.
Home inspectors do not do code inspections on pre-listing or resales.

What contract provisions will members include to protect themselves?

Its only a visual examination, it is not a progressive inspection observing the constrution.

What E&O coverage will be provided by insurers if any? Is Tarion attempting to reduce risk and any liabilities by placing inspectors in between itself and the consumer?

It does raise further questions on the motive and delivery of a course by a less than ethical body given the seriousness of the financial concerns.

That lump under the rug just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger!

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by Wand Raymond

Brian J.

Yup an online course with an immediate computerized results.

Now here are a few more interesting points:

The SOP have not been amended.
Home inspectors do not do code inspections on pre-listing or resales.

What contract provisions will members include to protect themselves?

Its only a visual examination, it is not a progressive inspection observing the constrution.

What E&O coverage will be provided by insurers if any? Is Tarion attempting to reduce risk and any liabilities by placing inspectors in between itself and the consumer?

It does raise further questions on the motive and delivery of a course by a less than ethical body given the seriousness of the financial concerns.

That lump under the rug just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger!

Tarion is not involved. Tarion has not approved of this course and does not promote it. Tarion has no agreement with OAHI, CAHPI or any home inspection organization. If you look closely, the announcements have at times included a reference to Tarion, but that is all. That's done to pretend it's all wonderful and that somehow Tarion is in favour of it.

The two biggest reasons this course and 'credential' has been started is to make sure CAHPI did not lose some Ontario Government grant money (which I secured for CAHPI two years ago) that was in jeopardy unless they could showed some results in Ontario. The other reason is that CAHPI across the country has been striking some rather unholy deals with Carson Dunlop that ensure more CD courses are sold, (at the expense and exclusion of other course providers) and in return at least three and now maybe more of the provincial associations receive substantial kickbacks.

There has been no real concern about whether or not the new home courses and subsequent credential have any merit. Like most things, it's all about the money.

Bill Mullen

[Bill Mullen]

One last thing.

Yes, the online exam will be proctored. At least they got that right.

Bill Mullen

[bjones5]

Originally Posted by Bill Mullen

One last thing.

Yes, the online exam will be proctored. At least they got that right.

Bill Mullen

Thanks Bill. Thats all I wanted to know. My question wasn't posted to stir anything up.

[Vern Mitchinson]

Originally Posted by Bill Mullen

One last thing.

Yes, the online exam will be proctored. At least they got that right.

Bill Mullen

How are they doing the proctoring?

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by vmitchinson

How are they doing the proctoring?

Personnel and facilities at community libraries have always been available for that purpose, as well as community colleges and some high schools. I'm not sure what arrangements have been made by OAHI, but those are some of the methods used by the NHICC to ensure objective proctoring.

Bill Mullen

[Graham R. King]

Just to let you know, I contacted the Registrar at OAHI (of which I am a Student member - although not for long!) in order to register for this course. Guess what. It is only available to Associates and RHI's. If I don't want to pay the rip-off fees that OAHI want to move up the ladder, then I can't get the additional training that is available. I've already completed the C.D. course and hold a college certificate, not to mention my 30 yrs. of construction and renovation experience.

[Wand Raymond]

So Graham.... how is OAHI treating you or should I say; not treating you?

[Nick Gromicko]

I just checked, their course is not IDECC certified for distance education. Proctoring the exam of an uncertified course doesn't make it valid. There is a tremendous amount of work that goes into developing a valid distance learning course. You can't just put classroom course material online.

[George A. H. Luck]

And it has been like this in this Canadian industry for 20 years.

Industry leaders. Uh-huh. Not so much . . . .

[Wand Raymond]

Originally Posted by gromicko

I just checked, their course is not IDECC certified for distance education. Proctoring the exam of an uncertified course doesn't make it valid. There is a tremendous amount of work that goes into developing a valid distance learning course. You can't just put classroom course material online.

Why would anyone believe anything CAHPI/OAHI puts out information wise. I and others have proved repeatedly they don't operate above board.

The last gaff which remains uncorrected was the COO telling the media that CAHPI/OAHI licences home inspectors!