OAHI in a tail spin.

[rwand1]

I have heard from several reliable sources, that there is a new association of home inspectors being formed in Ontario as a result of OAHI mismanagement of its financial affairs and accountability, (no quarterly reports, no 2006 budget, deferred revenue issues, falling membership numbers, etc) and its inability to ensure members rights are not abused as they have been contrary to the bylaws and Pr 158.

It was also stated that some of the directors are considering resigning to remove themselves from any liability they may incur due to the financial irregularities and other decisions which they have partaken in which may come back to haunt them legally as the bylaws do not protect them from negligent decisions/actions.

Upto half of OAHI members who have had enough of the lies and deceit may well leave.

There are also two committees which bare some responsibility in aiding and abetting the BOD in their attempt to stifle members rightful inquires and those members rights to due process.

There was also concern that OAHI should conduct and pay for a full forensic audit, in an attempt to right the wrongs, before the OPP are called into investigate and before the government steps in and appoints a temporary overseer while OAHI is investigated for breach of Pr 158 and its bylaws.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Thanks Ray you just made my day.
You and I and others have been pushing this for years .
I left OAHI when I saw they had no creditability and three elections where not run correctly.
I saw how great NACHI is and how much they do for all Home Inspectors and I joined never been sorry.
I loved OAHI and never missed a meeting and enjoyed many of the great inspectors .
I wish those who are trying to improve things all the best and hope they succeed.
.... Cookie

[Brian A. MacNeish]

You guys popping corks yet??

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

You guys popping corks yet??

Brian

It actually is quite sad that this is happening. I would have loved to be a member of OAHI but the Bull***** that I was hearing from members discouraged me.Now with Roy and Ray filling in more blanks I'm happy I stayed away.

[rwand1]

Brian

Do you know any fat ladys who like to sing?

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

You guys popping corks yet??

Am I glad, not in the least this has to be a very sad time for the Ontario Inspection industry.
This is a Black time that should never have happened.
Some times things have to hit bottom before they get better.
I hope this is as quick and painless as possible.
This should never have happened unfortunately a few strong willed people do not want to see changes.
... Cookie

[George A. H. Luck]

If the rumours are true, and that, granted is a big IF, this development cannot bode well for the Home Inspection industry in Ontario. Let us not forget that O.A.H.I. with all it's faults is still the only organized oposition to the steam roller we know as the national. If O.A.H.I. collapses that leaves nobody to stand on guard for we.

I, like Mario, would have loved to have been a member of O.A.H.I. but was turned away by the combination of attitude, B.S. and the old boys network. If there is in fact a new association forming let us hope that it is not manned by the same persons who are, apparently jumping ship from O.A.H.I. and who were largely responsible for the very conditions that kept most of us as non-members.

[rwand1]

George, et al.

Its no longer organized from what I am hearing. They are hiding the financial info because there is quite a bit to hide for a reason.

You may be able to join the new association I would not rule that out.
The new association will not be manned by the same persons that kept non members out. Those people still remain and are responsible for the current state of affairs in Oahi.

It seems everyone wants the industry to speak with one voice and be treated equally, everyone that is but certain parties within OAHI.

[rwand1]

This from the President of OAHI regarding the financial info and trying to make excuses which quite frankly don't wash.

The minutes as well as the financials are availabe only at the office for viewing. No one is allowed to copy or remove them from this location The BOD decided some months ago to take this aproach to protect the membership. This decision was made as a result of some members taking OAHI/CAHPI Ontario's private member information and posting it on other sites. Every time the office posted information or member initiatives that we were working on they in very short order were distributed to other organizations. GM does not tell Ford what they are doing. We have some members that are hell bent on trying to destroy all that is good for their own selfish reasons. These members only can find fault, and continue to violate the Act, the By-laws at every turn. Unfortunantly these members do not have the guts to leave the association. My personal chalange to them is to prove to us that they are men and will stand behind your convictions and leave. They are not team players and are only interested in what they can get out of anything that is happening. They constantly complain about the DPPC not doing the job that they are assigned. When they do recieve disciplinary action all they do is complain that they are being picked on, when they are in clear violation of the rules etc. They constantly complain about the National incentive. Part of what the National incentive is about is to have standardized sop's etc. across the country. One member in particular removed his name from the list claiming that it is not right that he can not follow what ever standards he wants, in total disregard to the process. These particular members are also on record for using designations that they have not earned and do not have the right of usage as they are administered by other associations. One would think that if you earned something you would be proud to use it. I have to question how a person thinks they are credible by the miss use. If these people end up in court it will be rather interesting to see how they will be discredited by the courts for out right misinformation.

I hope this has answered your question.

No one is allowed to copy or remove them from this location The BOD decided some months ago to take this aproach to protect the membership.

The reality is they are taking this approach because of the irregularities they do not wish to account to the membership for. Protect the membership from you and your boards repeated negligence!

This decision was made as a result of some members taking OAHI/CAHPI Ontario's private member information and posting it on other sites. Every time the office posted information or member initiatives that we were working on they in very short order were distributed to other organizations.

Thats nonsense! There is no private member information anywhere in the financial statements. Further other self regulating bodies publish their financial statements on their website for the public to see.

We have some members that are hell bent on trying to destroy all that is good for their own selfish reasons. These members only can find fault, and continue to violate the Act, the By-laws at every turn.

Violate the Act? Thats a good one. No one is in any violation of any Act for seeking answers that are rightfully owed. However the board has clearly been caught lying and in breach of the Act Pr 158.

Unfortunantly these members do not have the guts to leave the association. My personal chalange to them is to prove to us that they are men and will stand behind your convictions and leave.

Why would anyone be required to leave and be called gutless when its Mr. Lloyd and party hiding the info that the members have a right to be appraised of? After all its their money and not that of the BOD or Mr. Lloyd, they are custodian of the funds. I think Mr. Lloyd should be the one leaving for his negligence and inability to account for the funds, along with his cohorts on the BOD! Why would anyone leave if their convictions happen to be correct? Mr. Lloyd sure likes to make excuses and divert attention from the real issue.

These particular members are also on record for using designations that they have not earned and do not have the right of usage as they are administered by other associations.

Wrong again Mr. Lloyd. You got caught sending out discipline letters and threatening to report members to ASTTBC for misuse of CHI. Only to have ASTTBC state and prove you wrong because you can't read and did it out of spite, animosity and abuse of your office.

If these people end up in court it will be rather interesting to see how they will be discredited by the courts for out right misinformation.

Your on Mr. Lloyd. I suggest you get on the phone to the Oahi legal counsel and you have him file court papers based on your wacky assessment! The fact is you are so off base as are your other wacky excuses you are the one who is going to be facing some very tough questions along with your directors for dilberately misleading the membership and your lame excuses for trying to subvert your fiduciary duties by trivializing the misfeance you have brought to the association.

Please take responsibility along with your directors and stand up and be a man and take responsibility you keep making excuses for.

[George A. H. Luck]

Ray, I hope you are right and that those who are responsible for the supposed demise of OAHI are not the same principals involved in organizing this new mystery association. You cannot teach old dogs new tricks and I fear that those who have approved of the use of "student", " associate" etc. etc. and set the policies that have kept most inspectors out of OAHI, if involved with the formation of any new association, will bring their wicked ways with them.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by gluck

Ray, I hope you are right and that those who are responsible for the supposed demise of OAHI are not the same principals involved in organizing this new mystery association. You cannot teach old dogs new tricks and I fear that those who have approved of the use of "student", " associate" etc. etc. and set the policies that have kept most inspectors out of OAHI, if involved with the formation of any new association, will bring their wicked ways with them.

Only time will tell, I do expect that a new broom will sweep clean .
... Cookie

[rwand1]

.... I fear that those who have approved of the use of "student", " associate" etc. etc. and set the policies that have kept most inspectors out of OAHI, if involved with the formation of any new association, will bring their wicked ways with them.

It turns out OAHI got some legal advice about the use of RHI and what Pr 158 states about anyone in the Registry being entitled to use RHI, only to find out that what I have stated all along is true, Students, Applicants and Associates are permitted to use RHI! So OAHI took Pr 158 and applied RHI improperly all these years to suit its own agenda. A direct violation of the Act!

[George A. H. Luck]

"I do expect that a new broom will sweep clean ."

It has been my experience that the new broom only sweeps where it's operator points it.

[rwand1]

Hey Bill or Claude

I see OAHI is planning on reformulating some of its qualifications and they are saying that Associate status is the same as Nationally Cert. How can that be given that one must complete two TIPR examinations?

Thanks,

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Hey Bill or Claude

I see OAHI is planning on reformulating some of its qualifications and they are saying that Associate status is the same as Nationally Cert. How can that be given that one must complete two TIPR examinations?

Thanks,

Apparently as they realign their requirements, OAHI will raise the 'Associate' requirements to include what they need now plus:
* Two TIPR examinations taken at least three months apart
* 150 fee paid inspections
* Must be in practice for at least one year.

If they do so, they can then apply to the National Certification Authority for an Equivalency comparison. If the independant consultants find that the new requirements meet or exceed the NCP and if OAHI signs an Equivalency Agreement with the NCA, then and only then will the Associate level be equal. However, the NCA will make that decision, not OAHI. In addition, OAHI has to meet some other requirements in governance, etc. that they are still not doing.

If the Associate level is found to be at least as stringent as the NCP, that's great. What most people don't realize is that the NCP was never designed to be the highest standard in the country of any province. It has always been designed to be an acceptably high, rigourous and defensible level of competence that cross-Canada companies and associations could rely on.

If you follow the OAHI Cafe, I was very vocal last week about the confusing manner in which this was announced.

Bill Mullen