Oahpi

[wblakey]

I think the perfect combination is to be an iNACHI member who is also a national certificate holder. In this way you have federal recognition, plus all of the great services that iNACHI provides.

Bang for buck it can't be beat.

As for the lack of movement from the powers that be, I can't speak. It astonishes me that there hasn't been more movement in this area. It would seem to be a win-win situation for iNACHI to have its educational programs accredited.

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by wblakey

I think the perfect combination is to be an iNACHI member who is also a national certificate holder. In this way you have federal recognition, plus all of the great services that iNACHI provides.

Bang for buck it can't be beat.

As for the lack of movement from the powers that be, I can't speak. It astonishes me that there hasn't been more movement in this area. It would seem to be a win-win situation for iNACHI to have its educational programs accredited.

Hi Paul:

I agree on the win/win situation. Every association brings something positive to the table, so why shouldn't people be able to accessthem all? Our new organization will hopefully be able to offer the best of all worlds to its members.

For some reason, the word iNACHI is a four letter word to many leaders of OAHI. They can't see through their own biases and recognize the benefits.
That's their problem, not ours.

I am not saying that iNACHI or unaffiliated inspectors will get any special favours through OAHPI. If they don't have the educational requirements and the background experience, they will not qualify for National Certification. What we will offer is a welcome hand to help inspectors apply and get their requirements in order.

Bill Mullen

[Nick Gromicko]

Let us know if we can help Bill.

I do want to make it clear that InterNACHI refusing to apply for equivalency to NCP should not be viewed as anything derogatory towards NCP. NCP seems like a fine certification. InterNACHI just doesn't submit anything to any private group, so it is nothing particular about NCP that keeps us from applying for anything with them. This is simply our long-standing policy regarding private certification offerings.

There are 2 exceptions:

Exception # 1. If a private certification is used for licensing by any government. This one won't help NCP as legislators in 3 different Provinces (BC, AB, ON) have already publicly stated that any future licensing will not involve NCP.

Exception # 2. If a private certification trades with us for dual certification. This one probably won't fly either as NCP would likely require increased verification procedures from InterNACHI and InterNACHI would require greater acceptance of advanced online education from NCP. My gut feeling is that NCP thinks verification of minimum requirements is better than minimum verification of more stringent requirements... and that InterNACHI thinks the exact reverse.

That being said, I think there might be more common ground between NCP and CMI (www.certifiedmasterinspector.org) where we already have Canadian http://www.certifiedmasterinspector....trademark.html. I hope to discuss the possibilities more at www.nachi.org/toronto2008.htm next week. Everyone please attend.

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Let us know if we can help Bill.
I am pleased and grateful for all the offers to help us get this thing going.

I do want to make it clear that InterNACHI refusing to apply for equivalency to NCP should not be viewed as anything derogatory towards NCP. NCP seems like a fine certification. InterNACHI just doesn't submit anything to any private group, so it is nothing particular about NCP that keeps us from applying for anything with them. This is simply our long-standing policy regarding private certification offerings.

There are 2 exceptions:

Exception # 1. If a private certification is used for licensing by any government. This one won't help NCP as legislators in 3 different Provinces (BC, AB, ON) have already publicly stated that any future licensing will not involve NCP. Not exactly, Nick. They have said the decision has not been made. They have said that the NCP in its entirety likely would not fit their needs, but they have never discounmted the entire program. As recently as two weeks ago the BC government called me for more information.

Exception # 2. If a private certification trades with us for dual certification. This one probably won't fly either as NCP would likely require increased verification procedures from InterNACHI and InterNACHI would require greater acceptance of advanced online education from NCP. My gut feeling is that NCP thinks verification of minimum requirements is better than minimum verification of more stringent requirements... and that InterNACHI thinks the exact reverse.
The word 'mimumum' is not correct. The term 'baseline or benchmark' is more appropriate. For instance, the NCP requirements are MUCH higher than some entities, so it cannot be a minimum. It's relaxed enough so you don't need to be the absolute best but it's strong enough that people with little training or experience will not be able to achieve it.

That being said, I think there might be more common ground between NCP and CMI (www.certifiedmasterinspector.org) where we already have Canadian http://www.certifiedmasterinspector....trademark.html. I hope to discuss the possibilities more at www.nachi.org/toronto2008.htm next week. Everyone please attend.

See you next week.

Bill Mullen

[Nick Gromicko]

"Benchmark" is better. My bad.

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by gromicko

"Benchmark" is better. My bad.

Yeah, but when you're good, you're really good.

Bill Mullen

[FRED ODETTE]

See you all in T.O. , Maybe some answers but probably more questions.
Lets all get under one blanket!

[Nick Gromicko]

I think CMI and NCP are a match for many reasons. One of the primary ones is that CMI operates differently than InterNACHI (where it takes WWIII to get any changes made). CMI is lean and John, Scott, and I can make a decision or a change with a quick 3-way phone call. We're just a lot easier to work with than InterNACHI is, mostly because of size. Furthermore it appears to me that NCP's culture is identical to CMI's.

[George A. H. Luck]

"The main point in the new Mission Statement is that all OAHPI members must be National Certificate Holders or must commit to apply for it right away."

That's disappointing. It means that OAHPI is nothing more than a front organization for the NCP.

"We want our members to be able to receive full recognition from Government"

By "Government" I take it that you mean C.M.H.C. ?

[Nick Gromicko]

My advice to Bill:..

I know a bit about creating a successful trade association and I think:

1. it is a mistake to use some other private organization's NCP certification for OAHPI's membership requirements.

2. it is a mistake to try from the outset to become part of CAHPI.

3. it is a mistake to try to recieve some kind of government recognition before it deserves any.

4. it is a mistake to try to partner in any way with InterNACHI or CMI at first.

All that makes OAHPI irrelevant and appear to be a little biatch association and no one joins irrelevant, little biatch associations. Have OAHPI stand on its own first and let it earn the respect of NCP, CAHPI, CMHC, members of InterNACHI, CMIs and other Canadian inspectors. Do something, even if only one thing... BIG and all alone. Inspectors are almost all independent businessmen and respect independence.

Get my attention first, get my respect second, get my dues third.

No offense intended, just trying to help, and no charge for the advice. It's probably worth what I charged for it.

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by gluck

"The main point in the new Mission Statement is that all OAHPI members must be National Certificate Holders or must commit to apply for it right away."

That's disappointing. It means that OAHPI is nothing more than a front organization for the NCP.

OAHPI, like all associations, will have a certification for their members. It makes perfect sense to mirror the National Certification requirements and save our members some steps.
Call it what you want. It is an association that believes in the NCP. At the moment, there is no association in Ontario that supports and promotes the NCP.

"We want our members to be able to receive full recognition from Government"

By "Government" I take it that you mean C.M.H.C. ?
No, I mean various departments in various levels of government. CMHC could be one of them. The NCP will open those doors for our OAHPI members.

Bill Mullen

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by gromicko

My advice to Bill:..

I know a bit about creating a successful trade association and I think:

1. it is a mistake to use some other private organization's NCP certification for OAHPI's membership requirements.

2. it is a mistake to try from the outset to become part of CAHPI.

3. it is a mistake to try to recieve some kind of government recognition before it deserves any.

4. it is a mistake to try to partner in any way with InterNACHI or CMI at first.

All that makes OAHPI irrelevant and appear to be a little biatch association and no one joins irrelevant, little biatch associations. Have OAHPI stand on its own first and let it earn the respect of NCP, CAHPI, CMHC and inspectors. Do something, even if only one thing... BIG and all alone. Inspectors are almost all independent businessmen and a tough crowd. Get my attention first, get my respect second, get my dues third.

No charge for the advice.

Thanks.

We're building this from the ground up, so any and all suggestions are helpful.

Bill M.

[Nick Gromicko]

Here's a sneaky little way to figure out what to do. Works for me as I don't like to think (gives me a headache).

I ask inspectors what they want in a trade association. Then we try to give it to them.

Sneaky huh?

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Here's a sneaky little way to figure out what to do. Works for me as I don't like to think (gives me a headache).

I ask inspectors what they want in a trade association. Then we try to give it to them.

Sneaky huh?

In a way, we're doing that. Most people now involved want the new association to be the opposite of whatever OAHI is. The Interim Steering Committee will be scheduling a number of information meetings throughout the province soon to hear from Home Inspectors. Until we do that, nothing will be cast in stone.

Bill Mullen

[Nick Gromicko]

So OAHPI won't be partnering with OAHI?