PDI Inspections

[Jeffrey R. Knight]

Just curious if any Ontario home inspectors do Pre-Delivery Inspections for builders ? Is this mandated form only an Ontario requirement for builders or is it all over in Canada ?

[hjanssen]

James,we do PDI inspections,but not for the builder normally ,but for the purchaser,very few builders want us involved in the trans action,but I believe we can play an inportant role for the buyer.

[cboyd]

Ontario builders typically have their own inspectors do pdi's, they are mostly cosmetic, they rely on the municipal inspections during the building process for structural, code etc. In high volume areas only a percentage of homes actually get full inspections as municipal inspectors are apparently stretched for time.
You can check out the pdi's here:
http://www.tarion.com/HOME/New+Home+...ry+Inspection/

[Jeffrey R. Knight]

Originally Posted by cboyd

Ontario builders typically have their own inspectors do pdi's, they are mostly cosmetic, they rely on the municipal inspections during the building process for structural, code etc. In high volume areas only a percentage of homes actually get full inspections as municipal inspectors are apparently stretched for time.
You can check out the pdi's here:
http://www.tarion.com/HOME/New+Home+...ry+Inspection/

Isn't there a checklist they are required to go through for these PDIs ? These are not supposed to be just cosmetic type of inspections.

[cboyd]

This is about it:
http://www.tarion.com/NR/rdonlyres/2...009PDIForm.pdf

[Jeffrey R. Knight]

Originally Posted by cboyd

This is about it:
http://www.tarion.com/NR/rdonlyres/2...009PDIForm.pdf

This is more of the checklist I was referring to:

http://www.tarion.com/HOME/New+Home+...IChecklist.htm

[Scott May]

IS this the form http://www.tarion.com/NR/rdonlyres/8.../CPGDoc_v2.pdf

[Jeffrey R. Knight]

Wow....not that's a form to fill out !!! 268 pages worth !!!

[Vern Mitchinson]

My god! This is not a check list.
It is 268 pages of exceptions and excuses for the builder to escape any responsibility.
There is no protection here for the buyer.
There is no way I would buy a house under these conditions.
This was sanctioned by the governement. The same government that cahpi wants to write rules for HI's.
A house that meets these standards would never make it past a proper home inspection.
Now I know why many new home inspections I do end up in arbitration.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by smay

IS this the form http://www.tarion.com/NR/rdonlyres/8.../CPGDoc_v2.pdf

Brian A. MacNeish just loves to talk about the weasel clause I and others have in our contracts .

Most of what is used was recommended by a lawyer or Insurance company .

I do hope he down loads and prints this and see what a Tarion has to confuse all http://www.tarion.com/HOME/New+Home+...Guidelines.htm


Go down to You can also download the complete Second Edition of the Construction Performance Guidelines (2 MB). Please note, download times for this file using a dial-up connection may exceed 10 mins.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by vmitchinson

My god! This is not a check list.
It is 268 pages of exceptions and excuses for the builder to escape any responsibility.
There is no protection here for the buyer.
There is no way I would buy a house under these conditions.
This was sanctioned by the governement. The same government that cahpi wants to write rules for HI's.
A house that meets these standards would never make it past a proper home inspection.
Now I know why many new home inspections I do end up in arbitration.

Vern:

So none of this goes on in Alberta??

Here's a performance standard from the Alberta New Home Warranty Corporation:

Condition: Finished floor above grade is out of level.

Acceptable Performance Condition: Within a room, floors shall appear level when viewed from a normal viewing position. Where a floor is sloped, a maximum ratio of 25 mm over 3 meters (1 inch in 10 feet) applies, when measured between the opposite walls or defined limits of the room area.

Warranty: One-Year Workmanship and Materials.

Action: Floors in rooms sloped greater than the acceptable performance conditions shall be repaired.

Remarks: Refer to: Section 9. 27 Finished flooring is uneven.



And...... the Alberta New Home Warranty Program is run by the builders! Sorta like having the foxes guard the chicken coop, isn't it???


Which is worse? Government or the foxes "protecting" the interests of consumers?

Note: There are 3 other new home warranty companies in Alberta. I almost dealt with one that also offers warranties here in NS but after very short consideration decided I'd be better off having a nice day doing something else!!

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by vmitchinson

My god! This is not a check list.
It is 268 pages of exceptions and excuses for the builder to escape any responsibility.
There is no protection here for the buyer.
There is no way I would buy a house under these conditions.

If this is the first time you have seen new home performance standards.....what have you been doing in the HI field??


This was sanctioned by the governement. The same government that cahpi wants to write rules for HI's.

Many of these warranty corporations have boards controlled by builders, much like Alberta is controlled by oil interests. Would you expect more? We need more government involvement, not less. Tarion recently got true consumer representaion on its board in the person of Bob Aaron, real estate lawyer and journalist......it was a long time coming.

A house that meets these standards would never make it past a proper home inspection.
As far as I can see, a house that meets these standards would be built to the prevailing codes. If the contract was to build to codes and not beyond, what would be a proper home inspection?

Now I know why many new home inspections I do end up in arbitration.

The document referenced is from Tarion in Ontario. Are you doing inspections there?

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Brian A. MacNeish just loves to talk about the weasel clause I and others have in our contracts .

Most of what is used was recommended by a lawyer or Insurance company .

I do hope he down loads and prints this and see what a Tarion has to confuse all http://www.tarion.com/HOME/New+Home+...Guidelines.htm

I guess I'm in your head all the time now, Roy. PITY!!

Yes, I have seen documents like this. I have worked for and against the Atlantic Home Warranty Program in the last 7-8 years.

The last time was about 25 months ago.....the house showed up in a local scandal rag.....FRANK Magazine (Motto: Frank by name; frank by nature!). My client homeowner ended up getting the maximum $50,000 structural payout from the program for structural rot in his 8 month old $800,000 home. There was a 7 month arson investigation of the house starting about 18 months ago. Very interesting!!!

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

I wonder why two things stand out in most of your post's

One How Great Brian is
and
Two How bad NACHI is

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by rcooke

I wonder why two things stand out in most of your post's

One How Great Brian is
and
Two How bad NACHI is

Ah! Right on Time. I was wondering when I'd feel your presence again, my biggest fan........er....stalker.

Can you add anything to the topic here? Hell, I hadn't even posted anything in this thread when you dragged my name in and used it in vain!!

Are we having fun yet? Remember the past..................

"12/31/09 3:21 PM rcooke
We need More like Brian who tell it like it is ,
He also has the knowledge to go with his post,s"

You did this to me!!