PHPIO oddly brags about education being recognized by a known diploma mill, but...

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by dcossar

Oh come on guys. I asked questions in an effort to move things along.

I, for one, don't understand all this animosity

We really don't need a pissing contest.

Why don't we try to get along and play nice?

It might make things better for all
Cheers

We'll be okay in a while, Doug. Nick fails to understand that I can't just wave a wand like he can and Voila!! things are as I want them. PHPIO is a democracy run by the members, not just one person. If he's afraid NACHI isn't being heard in PHPIO, there are four active NACHI members on the BOD and two previous NACHI members.

Nick knows we are working to sort things out, but he feels a need to do his 'I am the greatest' routine all the time. I'm afraid in Canada he does not carry much weight where it is needed. He could, if he would cooperate a bit with others.

PHPIO wasn't created to change the world, and it is not intended to replace any other association. Its mission is very simple, as our Mission Statement says:
PHPIO is committed to offering every home inspector in Ontario, regardless of their past or present affiliation, a clear path to the National Certification.

That's all.......no bells and whistles or fancy offers. This was all made necessary because the NCP is the future for Canadian inspectors, and OAHI refuses to help people with the process, and NACHI won't participate unless Nick can make the rules.
(BTW: The NCA has appointed two NACHI members to the very powerful National Certification Council)

Why do we recognize ASHI education? Well, PHPIO follows the lead of the NCA and CAHPI. They have reciprocal agreements with ASHI and that's good enough for us. NACHI and Nick have refused time after time to try to work with Claude and me to arrange some reciprocal arrangement.

Bill Mullen

[Douglas Cossar]

Thanks Bill

Okay Nick, your turn

Cheers

[George A. H. Luck]

" Lucky George "
I am hurt to the quick ! Funny, Bill, how soon you resort, revert to name calling when you are challenged. I think we have all seen this sad performance during one of your tirades defending OAHI or the NCP in times past.

Same old dogs.

No new tricks.

Something smells fishy Bill Mullet.

[Douglas Cossar]

Originally Posted by gluck

" Lucky George "
I am hurt to the quick ! Funny, Bill, how soon you resort, revert to name calling when you are challenged. I think we have all seen this sad performance during one of your tirades defending OAHI or the NCP in times past.

Same old dogs.

No new tricks.

Something smells fishy Bill Mullet.

Come on George lets try to be helpful!

[Claude Lawrenson]

Generally recognition of education comes in a variety of flavours and forms. On one end in Canada - we have educational courses recognized by the provincial education ministry such as Colleges & Universities and on the opposite end self-created courses directed at serving as some indicate the "dilpoma mill" model.

The vast difference generally lies after reviewing many of these courses in quality and applicabilty to providing the required tasks and skills to the home inspector practitioner. Some have minimal value - therefore minimal credits, while others that do meet the National Occupational Standard are credited with a higher value.

Other important decision making criteria is based on the applicability of a home inspection course benchmarked against the National Occupational Standards, more in particular to the latest version.

As Bill M, has indicated many associations have applied for recognition; and likewise many educational course/home inspection program training providers have applied and in many cases received recognition. It is not mandatory, but if one does not apply - there is no recognition provided by the governance body for "certification and/or accreditation".

We can debate why iNACHI has not received acknowledgement - but Bill has already offered the answer to that question. It's unfortunate some want to make it out as something different.

[Douglas Cossar]

Originally Posted by dcossar

Thanks Bill

Okay Nick, your turn

Cheers

I'm sure he will come along in a while

cheers

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by gluck

" Lucky George "
I am hurt to the quick ! Funny, Bill, how soon you resort, revert to name calling when you are challenged. I think we have all seen this sad performance during one of your tirades defending OAHI or the NCP in times past.

Same old dogs.

No new tricks.

Something smells fishy Bill Mullet.

George:

Sticks and stones, etc., etc. Sorry about the 'Lucky' part. That was uncalled for.

I'm not sure why you think something smells fishy. PHPIO is merely trying to offer an avenue for people in Ontario to achieve the National Certification because one was not previously available reasonably. PHPIO will also be the only association in Ontario that will promote the National Certificate Holders.

There are no tricks or 'bait and switch'. Nick won't do what is needed to get his members through the process the same as CAHPI members, so PHPIO will play that role. Nick likes to poke me in the eye with a stick sometimes, but deep down he knows I'm doing what I can for his members and all Ontario and Canadian inspectors.

Bill Mullen

[George A. H. Luck]

Bill, I've been called far worse than "Lucky" ( by you !!) so I take no offense. I thought that the "fishy" thing was a good take on the "Bill Mullet" name.

Doug, with all due respect, I guess you have to have been around for a while to understand all the personalities involved and their associated histories. Look back at some of the previous posts on these subjects and you will see that we are hearing the same stories over and over. To say that the confidence of Canadian inspectors has been eroded over the years with promises, important announcements, industry changing developments, not to mention the claim of NACHI's immanent demise would be a vast understatement.

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by gluck

Bill, I've been called far worse than "Lucky" ( by you !!) so I take no offense. I thought that the "fishy" thing was a good take on the "Bill Mullet" name.

Doug, with all due respect, I guess you have to have been around for a while to understand all the personalities involved and their associated histories. Look back at some of the previous posts on these subjects and you will see that we are hearing the same stories over and over. To say that the confidence of Canadian inspectors has been eroded over the years with promises, important announcements, industry changing developments, not to mention the claim of NACHI's immanent demise would be a vast understatement.

George:

Optimistic and perhaps unrealistic predictions seem to come from some of us who are trying to better the industry. I plead guilty to this as much as any. However, even Nick and other NACHI leaders have also been known to make some fantastic claims that never panned out, such as NACHI controlling the Canadian Home Inspection industry three years ago. (Just an example)

I make no apology that some of us, including Nick and me and many others, are trying. Unfortunately, it leaves us very open to criticism, but we're all big boys and can take it.

Bill Mullen

[Douglas Cossar]

Originally Posted by gluck

Bill, I've been called far worse than "Lucky" ( by you !!) so I take no offense. I thought that the "fishy" thing was a good take on the "Bill Mullet" name.

Doug, with all due respect, I guess you have to have been around for a while to understand all the personalities involved and their associated histories. Look back at some of the previous posts on these subjects and you will see that we are hearing the same stories over and over. To say that the confidence of Canadian inspectors has been eroded over the years with promises, important announcements, industry changing developments, not to mention the claim of NACHI's immanent demise would be a vast understatement.

Well George I have not been around as long as you have but I'm not, by a far cry, what you might call a newbie.

I have heard it all before!!!

I'm just sick and tired of all the cat calling and juvenile crap that goes on.

It would really be a nice change if everyone could put the past behind us and work together to make something work!!!!!!!

That for the love of ===== it can't be that difficult. Can it?

Why not lets all grow up and get it done!!!!!!!

sorry for the rant

Cheers

[George A. H. Luck]

DOUG; ranting is the norm around here so don't apologize ! I didn't mean to imply that your views were without merit. I meant that time in the industry tends to give one a more jaundiced viewpoint. ( gives you something to look forward too !! )

Bill : We all know what Nick is; a salesman and a bloody good one too. Unfortunately when persons such as yourself who hold themselves out as something of an authority or a mover and shaker in the industry, make promises and predictions that never come true, we mere mortals are just a little disappointed. When it happens time and again ( and you are not the only sinner here by a long shot) you cannot blame us from becoming just a little cynical.

I think I am safe in saying, we all wish you the best in your endeavor but with some of the people involved and their track records clear to all, you cannot blame us for expecting more of the same. Remember, one of your members was the self proclaimed 'PRESIDENT OF NACHI CANADA" and issued the now famous ( and I paraphrase) " MEMBERS OF NACHI CANADA SHALL NOT POST ANY MESSAGES ON THIS BOARD WITHOUT SUBMITTING THEM TO ME FIRST!" edict. Many of us do not draw solace from the fact that these same people are now in charge of yet another H.I. organization. And the fact that we must subject ourselves to their ministrations in order to join is not a confidence builder.

Where you seem to have failed us is in your slavish devotion to the N.C.P. Ontario inspectors need an organization that represents them and their interests first and acts as a conduit to the N.C.P. secondarily. Your new organization does not serve as a rallying point for inspectors unless they are interested in joining the N.C.P. as well. This is not uniting us but rather further dividing us. And a divided house cannot stand.

[RHI-Inspector]

I'm certainly happy to hear that the OAHI won't promote the national certificate holders. Myself & I think the majority of OAHI members are not national certificate holders and I am glad to see that oahi doesn't waste time on this. maybe they aren't doing the greatest in promotion for us but I would be really pi$$ed if they starting promoting a small minority. it would be different if 3/4 of the members had the national thing but thats not the way it is.

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by RHI-Inspector

I'm certainly happy to hear that the OAHI won't promote the national certificate holders. Myself & I think the majority of OAHI members are not national certificate holders and I am glad to see that oahi doesn't waste time on this. maybe they aren't doing the greatest in promotion for us but I would be really pi$$ed if they starting promoting a small minority. it would be different if 3/4 of the members had the national thing but thats not the way it is.

No doubt that is the feeling of some RHI members, and you are entitled to it. We all have to decide what is best for ourselves and our business.

However, why the anonymous posting? Are you afraid, like many others, that the OAHI Board will harass and punish you for posting messages on the NACHI site like they have with many others? I can understand and appreciate your fear because it is well founded.

Bill Mullen

[RHI-Inspector]

I was also witness to PHPIO members handing out brochures at the CAHPI conference in Halifax.
I think that was pretty low.
If this was done at any other large trade show or conference, those people would have been removed. This happened with an advertising company at Blue Mountain last year and security people physically escorted the people out of the building.

[Claude Lawrenson]

Originally Posted by Kingston Manor

Here we go again. Bill Mullen trying to sell something and embellishing the stats. Its similar to the National wherein numbers where drawn from thin air, 2000 certified by 2007, 500 certified by Dec. 2008. Reality as of today there are between 300 and 400 in the loop only and there is not going to be 500 by Dec. 2008. Now we are being sold another bill of goods by the same spokesperson who with a select few has set up another non authoritative body, that is not even recognized by CAHPI. Do you really believe everything you read here by Nick and/or Bill? Are some of you so naive that you are eager to believe all the hype? This is yet another example of two bodies which in reality don't operate any differently than OAHI. And by the way Claude I looked at Humbers entry requirements to become a Home Inspector and thought it was over the top to be stating that one needs a: Admission Requirements * A bachelor's degree, or post secondary diploma Are you for real? What does a lowly BA have to do with home inspections, let alone a post secondary diploma in some unrelated field? Further, Applicants who have not completed a postsecondary credential, but who have a combination of postsecondary education and work experience, may be considered for admission on exceptional bases. Well aren't we selective!

Just as a matter of clarification to respond to Humber comment - Humber has 2 streams. The baseline standard that meets the NOS, and the post-graduate stream.

One is not forcing an elite program; it simply is an add on for those that may want to study home inspection at an advanced level.