Reported to ASTTBC For Misuse of CHI

[John Bowman]

George,

Good post. To answer this -

So there you have it in a nut shell. We recieve none of the promised help and endure an unfair burden ( real or imagined) What would you do John in similar circumstances?

Please contact Mr. Ewens for a complete update. I believe you will be pleasantly suprised. If not let me know via email.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by jbowman

Sure are a lot of guests reviewing this thread. Three guests last time I looked

HI Dave, I see you. We still on for that beer?

John at this time there are
Reload this Page 25 members and 40 guests
Most users ever online was 323, 5/6/06 at 9:30 PM. And yes Dave Bottoms is one of them right now.
On 2006-04-10 at 3;25 Am there where 3 members and 33 guests so yes at different times there are many looking.
This is Friday night not a Good time for Canadians to be on the NACHI BB but it still has a lot of people getting information .
This is great as they at least can see how we operate in the open .
I still believe NACHI is the best thing by fare for the inspection Industry and will continue to get better as the other stagnate.
Your Northern Buddy .
Roy Cooke Sr ...RHI.... Royshomeinspection.com CAHPI-ON

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[George A. H. Luck]

OOO! OOO!
A pleasant surprise!
Please make it new car!

[Joseph Hagarty, CMI]

Originally Posted by gluck

OOO! OOO!
A pleasant surprise!
Please make it new car!

Clearly you have unrealistic expectations.....

[George A. H. Luck]

Well thanks for bursting that balloon!

[Charles R. N. Crooker]

Originally Posted by jbowman

George,

Good post. To answer this -



Please contact Mr. Ewens for a complete update. I believe you will be pleasantly suprised. If not let me know via email.

SO Larry what is the complete update?

[George A. H. Luck]

( and Joe, I didn't mean to imply that you are a balloon!)

[Vern Mitchinson, CMI]

Go to http://www.certifiedmasterinspector.org/ and make your application. It's the future.

[Vern Mitchinson, CMI]

ASTTBC is the association that certifies technologists for BC.
Go to http://www.asttbc.org/ for all the information about them. They are not connected to OAHI or CAPHI in any way. It seems to me that the OAHI are trying to get others to do their own dirty work.
Here in Alberta ASET the sister organization of ASTTBC has chosen not to certify HI's specifically. Instead ASET has chosen to rely on the COE that says not to engage in work that you are not competent to do. The original model was APEGGA’s
(Alberta Association of Professional Engineers Geologists and Geophysicists of Alberta) COE. APEGGA was the father of ASET as ASTTBC was the child of the BC engineers. ASET has been in existence for over forty years and has over 17,000 certified technicians and technologists in Alberta and the North WestTerritories. BC has a similar history. If ASTTBC has registered CHI then Ray you should respect that. Your fight with OAHI is between you and them, not with ASTTBC.

[rwand1]

That sure is strange I just had a realtor hand me a card from the Midland area of a P2P inspector. Right on the Card is CHI! As far as I know P2P relinquished the right to use CHI when PACHI (Provincial Assoc. Cert. Home Inspectors) merged with OAHI.

Now OAHI is continuing to allow many OAHI members to use CHI, and or the problem is so big OAHI is tackling it piecemeal, sending out warnings as time permits. CHI is a blight on OAHI, and depending on your connections within OAHI the BOD and the DPPC and the BOE permit special standing. Obviously I don't have special standing or pull, or rank to continue to use CHI.

Instead of taking a stand, the stand has been; use CMI. Well I am not going to use either.

For the record CHI is a Federal Government sanctioned use, it has more weight then a regular Trademark. Someone in NACHI in my opinion did not do their homework.

[George A. H. Luck]

"For the record CHI is a Federal Government sanctioned use, it has more weight then a regular Trademark. Someone in NACHI in my opinion did not do their homework"

Would you be kind enough to elaborate upon this for those of us to dim ( and I am chief amongst those!) to fully appreciate?

[Claude Lawrenson]

Canadian Intellectual Property Office - The Canadian Intellectual Property Office (CIPO), a Special Operating Agency (SOA) associated with Industry Canada, is responsible for the administration and processing of the greater part of intellectual property in Canada.

Certified Home Inspector
http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/app/cipo/trademarks/search/viewTrademark.do?fileNumber=909348&extension=0&lan guage=eng

CHI
http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/app/cipo/trademarks/search/viewTrademark.do?fileNumber=1306253&extension=0&la nguage=eng

Prohibited Mark; Official Mark: This includes any mark protected under sub-paragraph 9(1)(n)(iii) of the Trade-marks Act being any badge, crest, emblem or mark adopted and used by any public authority, in Canada as an official mark for wares or services.

Educational services; informational services; representational services, namely, representing members' interests with government, industry and the public; organizational services, namely, provision of the following services to members: job referral, career planning, insurance, credit cards, and member discount services with respect to retail purchases, travel, hotels, telephone services, car purchases and rentals, and business services; advisory services for and pertaining to the interests of technicians, technologists and technical specialists in the field of home and house inspection; certification and registration of technicians, technologists and technical specialists in the field of home and house inspection.
CLAIMS:
Used in CANADA since at least as early as June 2000.

[rwand1]

http://www.nachi.org/forum/f48/certified-home-inspector-chi-designation-5080/

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[IMG]images/icons/icon1.gif[/IMG] Re: Certified Home Inspector or CHI Designation
Claude

ATTSBC is a provincial body with enacting legislation. Given this, it is a considered to be a public authority therefore ATTSBC does have rights to C.H.I.

Prohibited Mark; Official Mark: This includes any mark protected under sub-paragraph 9(1)(n)(iii) of the Trade-marks Act being any badge, crest, emblem or mark adopted and used by any public authority, in Canada as an official mark for wares or services.


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Certified Home Inspector or CHI designation
A number of complaints have been launched against some members for using the term Certified Home Inspector or the CHI designation. This designation is owned in Canada by ASTTBC. They had given the rights for the usage of this designation to PACHI. When PACHI and OAHI amalgamated the rights to this were inherited by OAHI and still remain in our custody. OAHI does not use this designation as it leads to a great deal of confusion in the general public.

Although a number of the membership have bought into a mail order association who think that they can use the designation, let me assure you that they do not have the right to use it. It does not add credibility to you, in fact as the RHI designation is becoming more recognized the use of other designations is discrediting you and may damage your business.

If you are using this designation you are putting the OAHI in a compromising situation with ASTTBC, so we must discipline you under the by-laws as well as report you to ASTTBC who may exert their rights under Canadian law to seek legal action against you. This information was distributed after PACHI and OAHI amalgamated and is being reprinted now as a courtesy reminder to the members.

In closing, I would like to thank the members who have presently come forward from the various meeting groups and have expressed an interest in joining the DPPC. At present, we are still looking for additional members from the regional meeting groups across the province.

Tom Lloyd RHI, CEI,CES,WETT
Chair of the DPPC, OAHI/CAHPI Ontario
Tom Lloyd is also Vice President of OAHI/CAHPI Ontario, one of three
Ontario representatives on the CAHPI National Board, and owner of
Dakota Home Inspection Service, Oshawa, Ontario.

[rwand1]

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so we must discipline you under the by-laws as well as report you to ASTTBC who may exert their rights under Canadian law to seek legal action against you.

Funny I don't see anything in the OAHI by-laws which pertain to misuse of a designation (CHI) issued by a competing association.

I hope OAHI is not breaking any privacy laws and releasing information contrary to law that is personal in nature. Should I be asking to see a letter which they say they sent ASTTBC? After all OAHI claims to have reported me.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

Canadian Intellectual Property Office
CLAIMS:
Used in CANADA since at least as early as June 2000.

Very interesting Claude but what does OAHI have to do with this .
I fail to see why they should be doing this perhaps you in all your wisdom can show my what business this is of OAHI.
Roy Cooke