Reported to ASTTBC For Misuse of CHI

[rwand1]

in fact as the RHI designation is becoming more recognized the use of other designations is discrediting you and may damage your business.

Really! I wonder what he bases that statement on? Sounds like a Freudian anti-competitive remark in my opinion.

[Claude Lawrenson]

I really don't know. Perhaps "they" feel the right to deflect the action of said member(s) and to protect the name and image of the association. Perhaps letters have been sent to OAHI by ASTTBC asking why these "members" were not be sanctioned or warned. Again its all suposition - without knowning the facts or details motivating such action.

Certainly anyone is entitled to an opinion, or a challenge to what they think or thought was right. However, when that impacts others, than some may take action to notify those individuals of such infractions. Than again it also should serve as a notice that they are able to read and act upon complaints.

[csteele]

At this point I'm asking myself with so much bad mouthing OAHI does about NACHI, and with the lack of response from NACHI, and with all that OAHI does to make them the most recognizable and powerful association in Ontario what will happen to NACHI in Canada and NACHI members if this continues???

To soon to be concerned?

[rwand1]

Perhaps letters have been sent to OAHI by ASTTBC asking why these "members" were not be sanctioned or warned. Again its all suposition - without knowning the facts or details motivating such action.

Claude,

I haven't received anything other then what I posted. If OAHI can substantiate ASTBBC complained thats fine, but it appears OAHI has acted on its own accord with what could be perceived as an action without full disclosure of the complaint and what would appear to be malice.

Either way you slice it I think it is incumbent on OAHI to show just cause and even more importantly not to arbitrarily administer a guilty verdict without any consideration to the facts.

This just speaks loudly as to the extent a self regulating body will go to enforce imaginary by-laws and intimidation. I hope they can prove their case because they did not even present evidence to prove their case.

Why is P2P allowing its use when in fact P2P relinquished the rights to use it when PACHI merged with OAHI. If OAHI is custodian then its not doing a very good job of enforcing the agreement with ASTTBC.
Besides where is this agreement OAHI has with ASTTBC, I have never seen such an agreement even as DPPC, but have always heard about it. It makes me wonder if such an agreement really exists. I guess I will be asking to see the agreement in order to assure myself OAHI has actionable cause.

[rwand1]

At this point I'm asking myself with so much bad mouthing OAHI does about NACHI, and with the lack of response from NACHI, and with all that OAHI does to make them the most recognizable and powerful association in Ontario what will happen to NACHI in Canada and NACHI members if this continues???

OAHI does not make its self recognizable, they haven't been able to do it for over a decade. They recently promoted an all expense trip to the Carribean there was no pre trip PR and there was no post trip PR except as only published in the Home Inspector Newsletter. Other attempts at advertising have been dismal. Home inspectors trying to run a PR ship is like a Madison Avenue advertising agency trying to run a Home Inspection Association. Even NACHI far exceeds OAHI dismal track record.

[csteele]

Originally Posted by rwand1

OAHI does not make its self recognizable, they haven't been able to do it for over a decade. They recently promoted an all expense trip to the Carribean there was no pre trip PR and there was no post trip PR except as only published in the Home Inspector Newsletter. Other attempts at advertising have been dismal. Home inspectors trying to run a PR ship is like a Madison Avenue advertising agency trying to run a Home Inspection Association. Even NACHI far exceeds OAHI dismal track record.

But is it not a bad thing when there is no defense or rebuttal from NACHI when OAHI starts calling NACHI a mail order organization? Sooner or later people/realtors are going to listen to these stories. Especially when NACHI is doing nothing to advertise or promote NACHI in Canada. Like I said before a lot of the realtors never even heard of NACHI.

[rwand1]

Chris,

I agree with your sentiments. Also many Realtors have not heard of OAHI. I know because my questionaires I put in every inspection report have come back stating they found me by referral through lawyer and agents, not because of my affiliations. That tells me my name, and length in biz are what are important to purchasers, not who I associate with.

NACHI is well aware of the comments being published by OAHI-CAHPI but for whatever reason has chosen to remain silent.

Cheers,

[csteele]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Chris,

I agree with your sentiments. Also many Realtors have not heard of OAHI. I know because my questionaires I put in every inspection report have come back stating they found me by referral through lawyer and agents, not because of my affiliations. That tells me my name, and length in biz are what are important to purchasers, not who I associate with.

NACHI is well aware of the comments being published by OAHI-CAHPI but for whatever reason has chosen to remain silent.

Cheers,

Well, it's a different story for me because I working my butt off trying to build by business and I joined NACHI in order to ensure I continue to learn AND to add credibility to me and my business. If NACHI continues to follow this path I may as well not renew my NACHI membership because I won't have any credibility, and I don't even need to be a member to read this forum in order to learn from others.

[lewens]

I had someone tell me last nite that a person had to be a member of OAHI to become an inspector in Ontario. She said she got that impression off their website. I am going to check this one out.
Larry

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by lewens

I had someone tell me last nite that a person had to be a member of OAHI to become an inspector in Ontario. She said she got that impression off their website. I am going to check this one out.
Larry

OAHI has sure improved their web site and now much easier to use .
http://www.oahi.com/default.asp?tier..._2=0&content=4
Roy Cooke

[rwand1]

PR 158 (Enacting Legislation)
13. This Act does not affect or interfere with the right of any person who is not a member of the Association to practise as a home inspector in the Province of Ontario.

[Claude Lawrenson]

Excerpts from http://www.ontla.on.ca/hansard/commi...htm#P256_32987

"Passage of the bill will ensure that only a home inspector who has met the necessary education and experience requirements and who has agreed to be bound by the association's standard of practice, code of ethics, and mandatory insurance requirements will be entitled to represent himself to the Ontario consumer as a registered home inspector. I would like to stress that the bill will not prevent any other individual in Ontario from carrying on the business of home inspection, although it is hoped that other home inspectors would be encouraged to raise their standards to the standards of the members of the association."

"Essentially, I'm a firm believer in regulating an unregulated industry in order to establish some set of guidelines and standards. As it stands right now, anyone can say they belong to some association or do it totally independently and come up with various quotes, because we don't have standards set.

In order to belong to this association, if I understand this correctly, you have to have certain educational requirements; you have to have certain tests that you have to pass in order to get into the association. That's why I think it would be a good idea to establish this association."

"Mr Hayes, of course, has some concerns; I think they are well founded, but they were answered as well: that you're not forcing anybody to belong to the association even though there will be some subtle pressure, I suppose, associated with it as you continue in your drive to try to formulate some guidelines for the association. I think that will happen in due time. In the meantime, of course, if you are a home inspector you don't have to belong to the association."

"I think the self-regulation of professions and people who gear themselves for professional status is very important in our society today, and I agree with the application."

Even with above - the association has a set of by-laws to which each member is bound to comply, regardless of their status within the association.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

Excerpts from http://www.ontla.on.ca/hansard/commi...htm#P256_32987

"Passage of the bill will ensure that only a home inspector who has met the necessary education and experience requirements and who has agreed to be bound by the association's standard of practice, code of ethics, and mandatory insurance requirements will be entitled to represent himself to the Ontario consumer as a registered home inspector. I would like to stress that the bill will not prevent any other individual in Ontario from carrying on the business of home inspection, although it is hoped that other home inspectors would be encouraged to raise their standards to the standards of the members of the association."

"Essentially, I'm a firm believer in regulating an unregulated industry in order to establish some set of guidelines and standards. As it stands right now, anyone can say they belong to some association or do it totally independently and come up with various quotes, because we don't have standards set.

In order to belong to this association, if I understand this correctly, you have to have certain educational requirements; you have to have certain tests that you have to pass in order to get into the association. That's why I think it would be a good idea to establish this association."

"Mr Hayes, of course, has some concerns; I think they are well founded, but they were answered as well: that you're not forcing anybody to belong to the association even though there will be some subtle pressure, I suppose, associated with it as you continue in your drive to try to formulate some guidelines for the association. I think that will happen in due time. In the meantime, of course, if you are a home inspector you don't have to belong to the association."

"I think the self-regulation of professions and people who gear themselves for professional status is very important in our society today, and I agree with the application."

Even with above - the association has a set of by-laws to which each member is bound to comply, regardless of their status within the association.

Claude you obviously have tunnel vision you know that OAHI BOD has not been following their own set of bylaws .
I am living proof that they did not .
I am also still waiting for my complaint of two years to be processed
( " Its in the QUE and will be dealt with shortly ")
You must think all the complaints by others are out right lies .
Sorry Claude I still say if YOU are part of the problem you keep comming on the NACHI site and tell us you openion and say
Gee I am sorry I can not comment on that as I am not privileged to inside information .
Claude you might be able to fool your self But I am sure you are not fooling one other person .
You say why do I and others run down OAHI wrong again .
I try never to run down OAHI .
You sure have never that I have seen chastise your Buddy Bill and for sure you have seen many e-mails
where he has run down OAHI and NICK and Ray and Roy and others .
You have tunnel vision and do not want to show the truth about those directors of OAHI who do not still follow their own Bylaws .

Roy Cooke... RHI.... Royshomeinspection.com.... CAHPI-ON

[rwand1]

Even with above - the association has a set of by-laws to which each member is bound to comply, regardless of their status within the association.

Yes but where oh where is anyone breaking the by-laws? That has not been demonstrated.

Claude you know as well as me, that anyone who is Retired in OAHI is entitled to use RHI, if you are in the Registry you are a Registered Member of OAHI. For OAHI to suggest and continually try and prove that someone is breaking the by-law by being Retired while being a member of NACHI is folly. It has no basis in penalty or sanction in the by-law, and the by-law does not state anything else, to believe so is to construe the intent of PR 158 in my opinion. Ditto Students of OAHI who are not to be inspecting, there is no logic to deny Students that right, given that they pay their membership fee and are not allowed to vote. That is denying them a right in the association they paid to belong. Its draconian and backwards considering the Students and Retired Members are in the Registry.

I also like the rest of the Hansard Committee concern over misuse of proxies, there would appear to be questionable voting irregularities via misuse of proxies over the years.

[rwand1]

Self explanatory.