Ruling from the DPPC re Dave Bottoms an Open Letter to the BOD of OAHI

[Ted Allen]

To be honest I think Nick should have stopped this crap long ago, but hits are hits.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by tallen

To be honest I think Nick should have stopped this crap long ago, but hits are hits.

Of course its nice to see Todd does not add any fuel to the fire.
Ignore a terrorist and they will go away.
Yeah and those who think that must still believe in the Tooth Fairy
Roy Cooke
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[Ted Allen]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Of course its nice to see Todd does not add any fuel to the fire.
Ignore a terrorist and they will go away.
Yeah and those who think that must still believe in the Tooth Fairy
Roy Cooke
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Ok Roy:

Tell me please who has been posting as you... And G. S and ect......

I would like to know.

Never mind I don't care..

You Canukes can play with your own selves

[Ted Allen]

To be honest I cant remember who is on the side of NACHI??? Maybee I should read some posts.............. LOL

Good thing is ya'll make me look good!!!

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by tallen

To be honest I think Nick should have stopped this crap long ago, but hits are hits.

Todd

At this point I'm hoping it's John Bowman.Have you read the posts,these guys are threatening members on this board,and you are making unsubstantiated accusations about John B.??? I would reconsider my position on this subject.But that's just me.
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[Ted Allen]

Originally Posted by mkyriacou

Todd

At this point I'm hoping it's John Bowman.Have you read the posts,these guys are threatening members on this board,and you are making unsubstantiated accusations about John B.??? I would reconsider my position on this subject.But that's just me.
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The John bowman thing is only a joke....I really like John B.
As for the threats... It's nothing new just ignore it and hope the folks in the North can handle it.. Otherwise we will go North and take them domn and prod them with Nick G probs until they fess up to there wrong doing....

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Seems like some get confused to who is and who is not a NACHI member ,

Roy D. Cooke vbmenu_register("postmenu_115746", true);
Roys Home Inspection
NACHI Member
User Name: rcooke
Location: Brighton, ON
Posts: 2,570



Above it says NACHI member .................................... Above user Name rcooke
That is Roy Cooke of Royshomeinspection....................Posts 2,570

Roy Cooke Sr vbmenu_register("postmenu_113964", true);
New User
Posts: 10





Above it says New user.............................................. ........No user name

That is Gil Strachan of http://www.allaroundthehouse.com/ ........... Posts 10


You can meet me at the Canadain NACHI Conference . Be nice to think Dave Bottoms and Gil Strachan would be there But do not be surprised if they do not show Roy Cooke


Roy Cooke

[Norm Bushman]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Of course its nice to see Todd does not add any fuel to the fire.
Ignore a terrorist and they will go away.
Yeah and those who think that must still believe in the Tooth Fairy
Roy Cooke
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And you and Ray don't add your own fuel to the fire every day?

I can't get my head around you too. You are always making comments as if everyone here suffers from short-term memory loss and won't remember that you two are the primary contributors to the problem. What's funny is that if you look back through the archives, you see a distinct pattern. You and Ray have been pulling this crap for years. The only thing that changes is your small handful of followers. This week it's Mario who's buying what your selling. Six months ago it was someone else. A year before that, other names show up but have since disappeared altogether. It's as if your supporting players follow you for a while, then begin to realize you two are nothing but loudmouth idiots, and finally move on with their lives, leaving you two to carry on being loudmouth idiots. Mario might be here today calling people he doesn't know assholes, but I wonder who it will be in six months or a year?

What's really funny in all this is that you've spent a week attacking and libeling people who have nothing at all to do with this forum, all because you choose to believe I am those people. I honestly think you know I'm neither Dave nor Gil, but you really couldn't care less. In your twisted logic, I provide you a way to justify badmouthing people from your past for no reason.

Unfortunately, it is the good members of this forum and this organization who suffer for it. You both will leave a lasting legacy, that's for sure, one mired in shame. You have entirely destroyed your professional credibility here and are now working on the destruction of the credibility of this forum. Its embarrassing, really. But at the end of the day it will be your names all over it, not mine. You don't know mine.

Regards,
Norm

[Gil.Strachan]

Norm,

I hadn't posted to this board for over a year, and hadn't even looked at it for several months, when an observer phoned to tell me that a fake Gil Strachan was on the board with multiple posts, and that Roy Cooke was abusing my name again. So I took a look. The mutiple personalities are hillarious, but you know what? It IS the same people making the same noises year after year.

And the retort to this post will be the same blah, blah, blah like every other time.

The other notable is that the replies rarely address the thread of discussion. It's just the same cut-and-paste waaaaahhh, blah, whine, mither and moan and nag.

When eveyone here finally has had enough, and stops subscribing to the Roy and Raymond hijack, those two will be cozying up to somebody else, maybe even sucking up to CAHPI or OAHI... and they'll probably whine their way back in, and then start all over again, over there.

One thing for sure, if Cooke doesn't stop posting idiot messages with links to my website, he will find out just how miserable and downtrodden his legal a-s-s can become.

STFU Roy Cooke.

[rwand1]

Dave.Bottoms

180 Posts
Posted - 05/04/2005 : 12:16:21 NACHI's Leader threatens to kill ex-member.

Rob Zimmerman wrote:

quote: As of this point Nick's comments stated in a members only area 'he shouldn't just be booted, he should be killed' is now being taken seriously by me and my family.

Nick Gromiko the owner of the National Association of Home Inspectors has threatened my life and the livelihood of my family. He has posted to over 5000 members he believes I should be killed. Nick has untold funds at his resources. He has shown to be easily excitable and quick to react.

My wife looking over my shoulder reading about Nick's comments is issuably shaken. Neither her nor I believe Nick was anything other than serious in his threat. Nick Gromiko has over stepped the line.

I will be contacting legal assistance as soon as possible. Any wishing to assist me in this please email be at rob@rzinspections.com or rzinspections@earthlink.net.

This is serious. Nick made a very public threat on my life. There was and is no justification for his threat.

Anyone able to copy the thread and email to me at one of the above accounts will not be mentioned.

http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/viewtopic.php?t=12212

Interesting. I guess that how they do things in the U.S.
Dave Edited by - Dave.Bottoms on 05/04/2005 12:38:41 Raymond.Wand

582 Posts
Posted - 05/04/2005 : 23:38:39 You seem to be in breach of the Cafe Rules.

c) OAHI Membership Forums shall not be used to libel, slander, defame
or disparage a member or candidate of OAHI or any other person,
company or organization.

e) Posts advertising or promoting any product or service or inspector membership other than OAHI directly or indirectly, are not permitted on the OAHI Forums, and will be removed promptly. ( CAHPI, ASHIdiscussions are excluded from this rule) ?

I think under the circumstances the forum rules have been breached. What is going to be done about this? I think under the circumstances the whole thread should be deleted.

Raymond Wand
Alton, ON Edited by - Raymond.Wand on 05/04/2005 23:40:35
Raymond.Wand

582 Posts
Posted - 05/06/2005 : 15:20:06 Why do you care if this info is posted on a private forum? I personally think it's important that our members know that the leader of a U.S. home inspection association trying to move into Ontario is threatening to murder people. That should be valuable news to anyone considering joining this foreign association.

If you don't mind, can you stop taking private forum posts from this site and placing them on NACHI's public forum. There is a reason this site is password protected and frankly, you should know better.

Dave

Firstly there is the matter of telling the truth not just one side as you reported. I thought perhaps in your role as Editor of the Canadian Home Inspector Magazine you would know how to report ethically and the full story. You have chosen to report only one small piece of the total story. Nor did you take the time to post Mr. Gromickos side. This is contrary to the forum rules of which you seem to be thumbing your nose at. This could be considered slander on your part, a clear violation of the Cafe rules. Why? Because you seem to have historically stated your feelings of dislike for Nachi or anything else that rubs you the wrong way. When you post a discussion that has been posted on the Canuck list to the Nahci list, you have no problem breaking your own rules you want everyone else to live up to. That sure sounds myopic and hypocritical to me.

Now as long as you want to post misinformation and lies, and turn and spin them a different way I will not succumb to your double standards and outright lies. There are members in Oahi that are members of Nachi. Your actions are insulting and unwarranted. Your excuses are also irrelevent and without cause.

The members who now read this post should know the following which you have been negligent once again to point out. Mr. Zimmerman has stated the following since you took the post and posted it here.

PostPosted: May 5, 2005 5:26 PM Post subject:
Sorry for the delay in posting. I did remove my posts. This was my choice and not as a result of any request.

I apologize to the NACHI membership. My intent was originally to inform members of an issue I researched and the results of that research. Unfortunately certain reactions affected me emotionally. Although I thought I was responding in a controlled manner, upon review I did not always properly do that. This was the reason for my deleting the posts. My emotions are there but taking time from the board and sleep has allowed for clearer thought.

--
Rob Z.
www.RZinspections.com

And his last post
Posted: May 6, 2005 9:58 AM Post subject:
Raymond,
Just to be clear. I have not retracted the fact I did nothing wrong or violated an NACHI rules.

I did remove the posts as I felt they were leaning to the emotional side and that was beneath me and the members.

Not upset just clarifying a little icon_smile.gif

--
Rob Z.
www.RZinspections.com


So as any astute person can read the entire matter has been overstated, and you are aware of this as you seem to be a frequent poster on the Nachi site. So with that in mind you seem uncapable nor willing to follow up with the correct facts! Your actions and your breach of the CAFE rules are inconcievable. Now, before you go pontificating any further I think the best piece of advice you could do if you do not want emails forwarded or reposted that seem to get your shorts in a knot is to stop making stupid, unwarranted, malicious lies, and rumours for your ill will.

And no I will not stop posting your posts from anywhere if there are not truthful and there is more to the story then you continually portray. You seem to have many hang ups and complaints but you continually refuse to deal with these complaints by proper means by filing your complaints with the DPPC. I am also concerned with you and Mr. Mullens continually stating on the Canuck Forum that I am derailing the National Initative. You once again make speculative remarks never backed up by hard evidence or corroborating evidence. Since when is asking legitimate questions derailing in nature. You must get over your deep seated animosities, and hatreds that you and Mr. Mullens seem to have for me. When you are willing to state facutually your claims that I am derailing anything. I am willing to look at the evidence. Until such time I think you and Mr. Mullens need to cool your jets and your comments on the Canuck list, which is not so private.

Raymond Wand R.H.I. 00029
Alton, ON Edited by - Raymond.Wand on 05/07/2005 07:50:22
Raymond.Wand

582 Posts
Posted - 05/07/2005 : 07:28:22 Mr. Mullen,

Once again you have provided no substantiating reference to prove that I am derailing things or any of your other boastful statements - as usual you are all air.

Please show some leadership skills for once instead of dictating as if you were God. You never offer substance, but you sure know how to deliver the BS. And for the record I did condemn the threats, I made that quite clear in my post on the Nachi list. You seem to have overlooked that too! So once again you have been caught in a fib and twisted the facts! Those are really some leadership skills. Here is a link for those who want the truth.
http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/viewtopic.php?t=12205 (three quarters of the way down the page)

Here are some questions that I am sure everyone would like answered. These questions were asked of you three times now, and you never did answer. The funny thing is these questions were a result of what you stated on the Nachi forum. When I turned the info around and applied the info in the form of a question you went off the deep end and claimed I was derailing, complaining, and everything else you could muster in the way of a diatribe but you never did answer the questions.

One of the spokespersons for the National has stated that CAHPI will be administering the certification process for the National Initiative. Decisions on who will be eligible for certification at whichever level will be made by either National "Certification Council" or Provincial “Certification Council(s)." These "Councils" will supposedly be at arms length from CAHPI, and its provincial associations and will be made up of people both inside and outside the industry. (Educators, realtors, insurers, lawyers, and others familiar with the certification process) Although CAHPI is the overseeing body, it will not be able to reject anyone who is recommended for certification by the independent "Council", so it appears.

The questions are:

1.) How are educators, realtors, insurers, lawyers, and others
suppose to be familiar with the certification process?

2.) What qualifications are they required to bring to the table to be part of certification process/certifying Council?

3.) These people are lay peoples in the sense that they do not know our business, why are lawyers, insurers and particularly Realtors overseeing any type of Home Inspector certification?

4.) Who certifies the members of the certifying Council?

5.) Why is inspector certification not being held solely within the home inspection industry, considering that we are aiming toward self-regulation?

6.) How can grandfathering be avoided, even though we have been told there will be no grandfathering?

7.) Will those in OAHI in the lower ranks and I assume RHI be subject to this same review?

8.) Where are the resources and finances going to come from to fund the implementation of is endeavor?

Many questions so few answers.

http://www.cctt.ca/english/about/oct04/fontana.pdf
http://www.fnnboa.ca/documents/CHIBO...-Dec142003.pdf
http://www.senecac.on.ca/parttime/pi...nspection.html
http://www.agt.net/public/moemad/national_1.html
http://www.cmhc.ca/en/burema/gesein/...hose_ce35b.cfm
http://www.cmhc.ca/publications/en/r...h00-131-e.html

http://www.cahi.ca/occupational.html

http://www.cahi.ca/pdf/CHIBO.pdf
http://www.cahi.ca/pdf/common.pdf
http://www.cahi.ca/pdf/PBO.pdf
http://www.cahi.ca/pdf/CMHC.pdf
http://www.cahi.ca/pdf/HPI.pdf
http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/en/cs/comm/ne.../031210b.shtml

Construction Sector Council aims for more home inspectors, building officials
http://www.csc-ca.org/english/whatsnew_4.html

Just some more info for those interested.

Raymond Wand R.H.I. 0029
Alton, ON.
Edited by - Raymond.Wand on 05/07/2005 08:04:21

[rwand1]

Gil and Dave

Sue me!

[Norm Bushman]

Originally Posted by rwand1, bet-wetter and sissy

Gil and Dave
Sue me!

What a bet-wetting Sissy.

You said yesterday you wanted to end this yet here you go again starting your crap for another week.

I'll say it again, Sissy: If you have a problem with these guys, call them up and set up a time to settle it face to face like a man. If you're too much of a bed wetter to stand up to them and take the punch in the face you so very well deserve, then maybe you should reconsider trying to cause trouble.

By the way Ray, I'm up to ten private messages supporting seeing you and your sweetheart getting your butts kicked good. And the majority of them are from NACHI members. How does that make you feel, to know that most here don't support your crap.

Regards,
Norm

PS. Hey Bottoms and Strachan, if you're following along, Kooky lives at 83 Alice Street in Brighton. The Pinnicle address is his post office. Follow Hwy #2 into Brighton. When you get downtown, head north on George St about two blocks. Alice St runs south of George St at the bend in the road just north of Singleton.

His little Sissy girlfriend Wand lives at 20100 Mississauga Rd. RR1 Alton. It's north of Alton's Queen St W, about half way to the intersection at Highpoint. You can find a map through google maps.

Sleep tight, my little bed-wetters.

[rwand1]

Hi Dave

10 emails out of how many members is hardly reflective of the entire membership. I have about the same number about you!

When are you coming up to kick sand in my face?

Sue me!

[Norm Bushman]

Originally Posted by rwand1, bed wetting sissy

Hi Dave
10 emails out of how many members is hardly reflective of the entire membership. I have about the same number about you!
When are you coming up to kick sand in my face?
Sue me!

Wrong guy, Sissy, but that suits you just fine doesn't it.
Do us a favor and be sure to let us know if he does come there and lay the boots to you. We could all use a good laugh.

What a freaking coward and a pantload.

Regards,
Norm

[rwand1]

Thanks, Dave and Gil. You really make me laugh with your posts. Come up and see me sometime big boys, you can hold one anothers hands. Sissies.

You make threats then can't carry them out. What a couple of losers.

Sue me!