Selfish OAHI

[Claude Lawrenson]

Sorry Roy - I am not privy to closed door, in camera sessions at OAHI or CAHPI. So don't blame me for info - that I have no knowledge or access to. I am just another member that chooses to volunteer.

I do not proclaim to be the expert - like some people may think when it comes to trying to respond to "allegations" or best guesses of why or why not?

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

Sorry Roy - I am not privy to closed door, in camera sessions at OAHI or CAHPI. So don't blame me for info - that I have no knowledge or access to. I am just another member that chooses to volunteer.

I do not proclaim to be the expert - like some people may think when it comes to trying to respond to "allegations" or best guesses of why or why not?

You must be a liberal supporter ( http://www.santacruzpl.org/readyref/...p/noevil.shtml )

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[Claude Lawrenson]

No actually I am in NDP and Green Party country.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

No actually I am in NDP and Green Party country.

Thanks for an answer.
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the more I see!
NACHI is the one for me !
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[rwand1]

Greg, I wouldn't want to teach anyone what I don't know. That's why I inspect. I teach homeowners, not students.

Claude,

The problem is the fact that these businesses are over stating the potential of making money in the home inspection biz. That could be argued to be misrepresenting the consumer and potential clients. We know the pie is smaller and smaller, we know that newbies either fail in the first year or two or charge in many cases much less then an experienced inspector. And for the record I do not have a problem with you or anyone teaching home inspections at community colleges. What I do have a concern with is inspectors operating home inspection mills and being approved by OAHI. What makes those inspectors qualified and their courses qualifying only with OAHI? Seemingly the system is a skew. These mills do not come close to being qualified to community college standards and checks and balances. This also raises a concern vis-a-vis these mills having their courses meet CAHPI and the National Standards. Am I wrong in this assumption?

And in closing fwiw and the record I do not have any concern with licencing even if the National is used as the common denominator. Just so long as there is a balanced approach, equality, inclusion, and oversite by outside appointments. Not appointments from within.

[Claude Lawrenson]

Ray thank you - I think we are getting closer to common ground. Now I get a better read on your position.

On the issue of appointments - lets leave it simply summed up as "interim" - just a point to start. The positions in the future will be elected. So if more NACHI and/or any unaffiliated inspector entered the idea of becoming involved and become national certificate holders - the composition of the committees would change. Hopefully that makes sense, via election.

Simply as stated before - like it or not, its a starting point. Hence the term "pilot project". Just giving it the test run! As such it provides an opportunity for testing and feedback, and an opportunity to realize if minor fine tuning with adjustments are required.

[rwand1]

Interesting,

On the issue of appointments - lets leave it simply summed up as "interim" - just a point to start. The future results will be elected. So if more NACHI and unaffiliated entered the idea of becoming involved and become national certificate holders - the composition of the committees would change.

Is this a trial balloon? Are you suggesting that if Nachi members are interested or want to be NC'd that their membership in any organization will not be used against them? Am I to believe that Nachi members would or could serve on the make up of the board or council or committees? Would that guarantee qualify Nachi members to be disciplined by Nachi and not the provincal association of their home province even if they are not a member of a provincial association? This would be ideal and I think many members could swallow that.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Greg, I wouldn't want to teach anyone what I don't know. That's why I inspect. I teach homeowners, not students.

Claude,

The problem is the fact that these businesses are over stating the potential of making money in the home inspection biz. That could be argued to be misrepresenting the consumer and potential clients. We know the pie is smaller and smaller, we know that newbies either fail in the first year or two or charge in many cases much less then an experienced inspector. And for the record I do not have a problem with you or anyone teaching home inspections at community colleges. What I do have a concern with is inspectors operating home inspection mills and being approved by OAHI. What makes those inspectors qualified and their courses qualifying only with OAHI? Seemingly the system is a skew. These mills do not come close to being qualified to community college standards and checks and balances. This also raises a concern vis-a-vis these mills having their courses meet CAHPI and the National Standards. Am I wrong in this assumption?

And in closing fwiw and the record I do not have any concern with licencing even if the National is used as the common denominator. Just so long as there is a balanced approach, equality, inclusion, and oversite by outside appointments. Not appointments from within.

Thanks Ray that is exactly what I wanted to say all along .
Lets have the colleges teach and Inspectors inspect..
The one you posted lately ( 9 Days $3,795:00 ±)
We charge less then the rest is a prime example of not helping
the Canadian industry in my openion .

Roy sr.
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[rwand1]

Thats $421 per day for 9 days. I charge a minimum of $400 per inspection so in 9 days I have made the same only with more risk. What do you think the risk is for teaching X number of inspectors at $3795 is? NIL! There is no risk thats why they offer courses. Most will not succeed, others will be ill informed competitors and undercharging, and others are there out of general interest. If one is truly wishing to succeed one would theoritically take a college course and know they are qualified. The way I see it.

[Yuri Olhovsky]

Ditto, Raymond.

[Claude Lawrenson]

Ray - no trial balloon. It's based on guess what - modelling CAN-P9, and lets face it - some people may of his misread the last report from CHIBO 2. This has been discussed since the Niagara Falls Conference, last fall.

[Rob A. Parker]

I for one can not understand how in 7 days you can cover enough material to become a home inspector if these coarses are truly approved by OAHI.
I have taken all the coarses required by OAHI through the college system and it has taken me over 3.5 years to complete and considerable more money, and I'm still waiting for my up grade to RHI.Had I known about these schools back then and not known what I do now about what it takes to be a home inspector I may have signed on.In general the college coarses are 40 hours long each and take about 16 weeks each to completeand there are 5 required by OAHI.I do not know how you can compress this into a one week session and recieve the required knowlege need to preform a proper home inspection.
Rob Parker

[rwand1]

Ray - no trial balloon. It's based on guess what - modelling CAN-P9, and lets face it - some people may of his misread the last report from CHIBO 2. This has been discussed since the Niagara Falls Conference, last fall.
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Yeah but.... the whole process has not been audited. Therefore no one knows it meets the requirements of CAN P9. You and other tell us it does, but you can't prove it. Sorry but with the amount of disinformation that has been put out it doesn't wash.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

Ray - no trial balloon. It's based on guess what - modelling CAN-P9, and lets face it - some people may of his misread the last report from CHIBO 2. This has been discussed since the Niagara Falls Conference, last fall.

Claude says
( "This has been discussed since the Niagara Falls Conference, last fall")
Very interesting who are the parties who have been discussing this.
Those who where self appointed or a independent group.
I expect to get the usual answer no names .
It sure would be nice to know who is trying to make decisions for all Canadian home inspectors.
Just more of the secret society I guess.
Please except my apologies if by chance you do give us the names .
I am sorry to for having been so out going !

The more I hear,
the more I see!
NACHI is the one for me !
Roy Cooke R.H.I. Royshomeinspection.com
A HAPPY NACHI MEMBER,... More find this out ever day!

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[rwand1]

Rob

http://test.oahi.com/webdocs/OAHI-Edu-ProgramPolicy.pdf

Seems to be a contradiciton read pages 3-4.

Of course we all know it depends who is the provider is and whether or not they are part of the clique.