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Like they say... don't put all your eggs in one basket.
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Chuck Crooker I.M.M., Canadian Home Inspectorhttp://www.crookerhancox.com "Not just an inspection, an Education!!!"
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Chuck Crooker I.M.M., Canadian Home Inspectorhttp://www.crookerhancox.com "Not just an inspection, an Education!!!"
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Chuck Crooker I.M.M., Canadian Home Inspectorhttp://www.crookerhancox.com "Not just an inspection, an Education!!!"
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I do not think I said it was on the CANUK forum This to me says you must have received a email or a phone call. The only person I can see asking this is Bill M . This is unfortunate he does not ask me himself. I have always co-operated with Bill and posted on the NACHI site information for him any time he want me to. Sorry I choose to not put this info out for all to see. Roy Cooke . [quote=ccrooker]Roy I do not believe that I will be removed for the canuk list for saying anything I wish to say, and I am not afraid to say what I want to say anywhere, lots of info for all is the best way to be!! I am Glad and it would be sad for you to be removed from the CANUK list it is a great list and has very many good home inspectors who love the CANUK list and much information was freely traded. Fortunately ALL inspectors can freely use the NACHI BB and much information is freely traded. Roy Cooke A HAPPY NACHI MEMBER Chuck you are one of a few who have the best of both BB able to see all the NACHI site and also the CANUK forum Glad for you. Roy Last edited by rcooke; 9/13/06 at 5:46 AM.. |
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I emailed Graham at Carson Dunlop yesterday and extended a formal invitation to him on behalf of Nick and we will see what we will see.
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Charles.
If you are so sure of your statement I dare you to post something from the CANUCK list other then the trivial type subjects. See how long they keep you on the preferred status list. |
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Chuck Crooker I.M.M., Canadian Home Inspectorhttp://www.crookerhancox.com "Not just an inspection, an Education!!!"
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rwand1 is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
Charles,
Sounds like you are back tracking on your statement! Quote:
I also find it strange that NACHI posts of interest, are posted on the CANUCK list, I guess thats okay though. I didn't see your posts sticking up for Roy, or me or others including Nick on the CANUCK list when NACHI members or others have been sullied and villified! Just remember the moles are mutliplying and nothing on the CANUCK list is scared or secure., Ditto the OAHI Cafe. |
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rwand1 is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
Here is one example there are many more. Where are you Charles, which side of the fence are you on?
NACHI ./. NATIONAL INITIATIVE Having sifted through the countless responses to Bill Mullen’s posted concerns that NACHI has now become a threat to the "National Initiative" - I still have no clue how the former real estate salesman with a checkered career as home inspector in the USA - is managing to inflict harm on our genuine effort to improve the reputation of home inspectors in Canada. However - one thing has become crystal clear. If Canadian home inspectors had not fallen pray in large numbers to Mr. Gromicko’s unsubstantiated claims and promotional promises - NACHI would be a none-issue in Canada today. Canadians who have joint the private US club should finally start to realize that a membership in NACHI will never ever enhance their "Professional Image." NACHI is - in my view - nothing more than a clever - but illegitimate - fraternity for individuals solely interested in making a fast buck from home inspections. I wish all sincere colleagues a prosperous 2005 - with little or no complaints from dissatisfied or unreasonable home buyers, RUDOLF REUSSE - Home Inspector since 1976 - Toronto and here some more.... -------Original Message------- From: '!!Canuck HI Forum' Date: 12/31/04 17:14:31 Subject: [Canuck HI] Re: National initiative I agree. Until we flush out this low-life, we can correspond to each other as needed. I welcome any support. They are doing a real slice and dice of Dave, Claude and me over there. Bill Mullen From: Dave Bottoms [mailto:dave@homeinspector.ca] Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 5:07 PM To: bmullen@ebtech.net Subject: [Canuck HI] Re: National initiative If I may make a suggestion, I think it would be wise not to post anything related to the issue of NACHI or the R & R sideshow on this forum. We obviously have a low-life mole who is passing info to wand and NACHI. Best not to play your hand prematurely, if you ask me. When posting, assume the information will be used against you one way or another at some point in time. Just a suggestion....... Dave Bottoms Inspectra -- The Home Inspection Company Ltd. Scarborough, ON -----Original Message----- From: Bill Mullen [mailto:bmullen@ebtech.net] Sent: December 31, 2004 4:38 PM To: dave@homeinspector.ca Subject: [Canuck HI] Re: National Inititiative Thanks for your comments, Claude. Thanks also for allowing yourself to be attacked on the NACHI forum. You handled yourself with a civility that I have not been able to muster with that bunch. They don’t want to hear anything that might not follow the ‘part line’. Of all of the people on the CHIBO working committee, I believe you understand the complexities better than anyone, yet those people chose not to hear your information. That’s their loss. I would like all those who have complained about how slow the National Initiative was and how long it took to do their part now and go after the people who are causing the problems. Claude, I’m sorry you got dragged into this, but as you know, when anybody tries to piss on CAHPI, I go ballistic. I’m honoured to have you in our corner. Bill Mullen From: Claude Lawrenson [mailto:clawrenson@acncanada.net] Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 2:00 PM To: bmullen@ebtech.net Subject: [Canuck HI] Re: National Inititiative Is Raymond and Roy still in fact members of OAHI? If so, the last OAHI newsletter provided information on the certification and accreditation discussion paper draft to the membership. Again also think of their counterparts that may also helping the NACHI cause due to their claim of continued dissatisfaction with OAHI. Perhaps its time to compare the real facts about NACHI and provide some answers to why NACHI is really threatened by the National Initiative. After all NACHI feels the lowest common denominator = certification. I think that in itself says it all. Just a few of my thoughts on this matter. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Mullen To: clawrenson@acncanada.net Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 1:02 PM Subject: [Canuck HI] Re: National Inititiative From: George Webb [mailto:george@homeprohelps.com] Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 12:52 PM To: bmullen@ebtech.net Subject: [Canuck HI] Re: National Inititiative HI Bill The home inspection natioal initiative is at the behest of CMHC. CMHC is well aware of where we have been and how we have got here. Have you talked with their representatives as yet? CMHC and other stakeholders recognize NACHI for the sad joke it is. Where did you get the information that concerns you? It’s being spewed on the NACHI forum. In fact, within an hour of my first message about it here, Raymond was calling me a liar on the NACHI forum for saying what I did on the Canuck Forum. I guess we have some people on this forum who agree with Roy and Ray that the home inspection profession should be dumbed-down. I invite whoever sent Wand the information to disconnect themselves from the forum, because I will find out shortly who it is. You don’t want to be on our team either, so please get out. CMHC is not going to buy into NACHI they understand too much. Never the less if this sort of interference is really being carried out by NACHI perhaps any member of a CAHPI related associaiton should consider trying to get their names removed from the NACHI membership role. George Webb Coldstream ONt. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Mullen To: george@homeprohelps.com Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 12:42 PM Subject: [Canuck HI] Re: National Inititiative Apparently NACHI Nick has sent some paperwork to some Canadian government officials (of course they are unnamed) complaining about not being included in the Initiative. Wand has advised Nick to send the NACHI lawyers after CHIBO, but I don’t think that has yet happened. CMHC, CREA, HRDC, CHBA and the others rightfully think that NACHI as a valid Home Inspection Association is a joke. Nonetheless, they are going to cause us some grief just by using up our manpower and resources. Bill Mullen From: Bob Johnston RHI [mailto:Bob@InspectionMatters.com] Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 12:05 PM To: bmullen@ebtech.net Subject: [Canuck HI] Re: National Inititiative Bill, In what form is this "challenge" from NACHI? Is it a legal one or just a lot of hot air? What do CMHC and the other stake-holders say? Hopefully you will be able to shed more light on this disturbing news. Bob Johnston, RHI Kitchener, ON "Promise Less, Deliver More" ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Mullen To: bob@inspectionmatters.com Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:19 AM Subject: [Canuck HI] National Inititiative For many years, the organized Canadian Home Inspection industry has been working hard to develop consistent training and certification across Canada. The hope is to establish a benchmark for the quality of Home Inspections done. The CHIBO projects have given birth to CAHPI, which was created to include all home inspectors in the country. The final drafts of the accreditation and certification models are done and are now receiving in-depth studying by the CHIBO working group. We hope to have them released very soon and start the ratification and adoption process. The CHIBO group has always come under severe criticism for taking so long to get things done. There were many reasons for the various delays, but some of the criticisms were valid and the committees have improved. Now that the end is in site, another challenge has raised its ugly head. NACHI, an American-owned group of Home Inspectors, has challenged the authority and the results of all of the work that has been done. NACHI is privately owned, so they do not need to answer to any shareholders, members, or stakeholders. Their professional certification requirements exclude the need for education, training or experience in home inspection. In essence, their goal is to ‘dumb-down’ the Home Inspection profession in Canada as they have attempted in the U.S., and they see the National Initiative as a real threat to this goal. Of course it is a threat !!!! We want nothing less than to be recognized as skilled, professional practitioners. The only honest and ethical way to accomplish that is to raise the bar across Canada by creating a level playing field made up of truly qualified home inspection professionals. If NACHI is successful, many years and hundreds of thousands of dollars will have been wasted. Even worse, Canadian Home Inspectors will not only lose what credibility we have garnered over the years, but will bedismissed by the public and the mediaas a bunch of undisciplined, untrained bucketheads. That fits well into their plan in which any rube with no knowledge or training can claim to be a ‘Certified Home Inspector’ with the passing of a simple online quiz. I realize that many of you are NACHI members. You have every right to belong to NACHI and as many associations as you wish. Please just take some time to find out what Nick’s motives really are. If we want a strong, well qualified Canadian Home Inspection profession of which we can be proud, now is the time to show it. Not surprisingly, two people who are well known here are pushing forthe dumbing-down of our profession in an effort to please their mastersatNACHI. Wand and Cooke will not be happy until they do some real damage to our livelihoods. Their rage and hate have blinded them badly, and now that they have come to realize theyhave chosenthe wrong team, they’re even more angry. It's a shame this U.S. organization is threatening the future of our profession in Canada with the help of these two people. Bill Mullen RHI CAHPI INSPECTIONS BY CAHPI INSPECTORS |
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Here is one example there are many more. Where are you Charles, which side of the fence are you on?
I do not like a fence and choose to use the gate or remove the fence or wall that some of you seem to want! Too bad for some of you! Looks like a hand full of inspectors that just can not or will not get along, the NC we all applied but not all got in yet, so we wait, as we knew! As for sending info from one place to another and arguing about things, as I said I will say what I want and not what anyone else wants me to say, I am done with this one!! Chuck Crooker I.M.M., Canadian Home Inspectorhttp://www.crookerhancox.com "Not just an inspection, an Education!!!"
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Charles,
Au contraire, everyone wants to get along. The problem you seem to want to overlook is the ability of people like Mullens to make statements based on his ability to boast, and to stretch the truth to suit his agenda, and his ability to insinuate others are wrong. When the truth is exposed and presented he condemns it. And unlike his counterpart and side kick, no one, not Roy or me has ever uttered threats or purpetrated lies to achieve the goals. Unlike Mullens and Bottoms et al, the info I present and the info Roy presents and the info others present is based on facts. But you wouldn't know about what the truth is because you haven't been around long enough nor do you seem to be able to know what is factual and what is nonfactual. You also seem to tolerate outright lies about Nick and others posted on the CANUCK and say nothing. Yes it is easy to sit back and let the lies continue to be purpetrated. Yes Charles it is very easy to go with the flow isn't it? Yes I guess you like to have your cake and eat it too! |
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The rules that you might have been told off ,are not enforced in a fair and proper way . They have been enforced as Bill and Dave wish them to be and are completely one sided . If you have been paying just a little attention to the CANUK you should be able to see many different places where it is strictly do as we say not as we do. I care less what they say about Me , NACHI, or Raymond, but in all fairness we should be allowed to dispute them . As for my statement about Bill M saying not nice things about R&R I stand completely with that statement. I again did not say he said it on the CANUK list so they all can quit looking . You see Chuck I have friends in many areas of Canada . Please be carefull Chuck you can not be sure who you can trust. Roy Cooke Added Sorry I forgot Thanks Chuck for posting the NACHI Barrie meeting ... Roy Last edited by rcooke; 9/13/06 at 2:42 PM.. |
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Okay lets see... the OAHI CAFE had this standard contract posted for OAHI members to use and comment on. This is version 2.
An OAHI member went to the CAFE, copied the contract and posted it on the CANUCK list. The CANUCK list is made up of independent home inspectors, NACHI members and OAHI-CAHPI members. So seeing as there are non OAHI-CAHPI members on the CANUCK it only fair that the contract be posted here. Thank yout to the CFIHI inspector for forwarding this to me. Strange indeed, because if I had posted this document from the CAFE and posted it here you can be sure there would have beena big hell-a-baloo. But the CANUCK list has long been tolerant of such activity if it suits the CANUCK management. Anyone else would have been drawn and quartered. THIS IS A DRAFT FOR DISCUSSION ONLY NO RELIANCE SHOULD BE PLACED ON THIS DOCUMENT VISUAL PRE-PURCHASE HOME INSPECTION AGREEMENT This Visual Pre-Purchase Home Inspection Agreement [the "Agreement"] is made this of , 200_ between: (month) (year) day (date) Client Name: Client Address: Client Tel/Fax No: Client E.-mail. [Hereinafter the "Client"] -and Inspector: Inspector Address: Inspector Tel/Fax No: Inspector E-mail: [Herein after the "Inspector"] [Collectively, the Client and the Inspector are known as the "Parties"] Instructions for completion: This Agreement must be read in its entirety for the Parties to fully understand the Visual Pre-Purchase Home Inspection, its terms, conditions, limitations and exclusions. This Agreement must be signed and initialed, where applicable, by the Parties, prior to the start of the Visual Pre-Purchase Home Inspection if the Client wishes the Inspector to proceed with the Visual Pre-Purchase Home Inspection. The signatures/initials confirm that the Parties' understand, accept and will be bound by the terms, conditions, limitations and exclusions contained in this Agreement. Preamble of this Agreement 1) The Client has asked the Inspector to conduct an inspection of the home on the property located at [hereinafter the "Property"]; (Identify precisely the municipal address of the property) 2) The Inspector is willing to conduct a brief but attentive, non-intrusive, visual inspection of the Property [hereinafter the "Visual Inspection"] of certain readily accessible systems and components of the Property on the terms, conditions, limitations and exclusions detailed in this Agreement in order to provide the Client with a better understanding of the condition of the Property, as observed at the time of the visual inspection; 3) The Client accepts that he/she can have the inspection carried out by another home inspection service if he/she is not prepared to have an inspection carried out on the terms, conditions, limitations and exclusions proposed by the Inspector; 4) The Client accepts that the Inspector will only conduct a Visual Inspection of the Property on the terms, conditions, limitations and exclusions detailed in this Agreement, which includes the Standards of Practice of the Ontario Association of Home Inspectors for the fee specified. (Client's initials) (Inspector’s initials) General Terms of this Agreement 5) This Visual Inspection is conducted in accordance with the OAHI (Ontario Association of Home Inspectors) Standards of Practice, including its terms, conditions, limitations and exclusions. The OAHI Standards of Practice are hereby incorporated by reference in this Agreement. A copy of the OAHI Standards of Practice is attached to this Agreement. 6) This Visual Inspection will not include other inspection services, systems or components or the inspection of any item that is not required to be inspected pursuant to the OAHI Standards of Practice unless specifically enumerated and detailed in this paragraph, below: This Visual Inspection will not specify repairs that must be completed to the Property. 9) The Parties accept that the full scope of the Visual Inspection may not be able to be conducted and inherent problems with the Property may not be identified due to the following factors: seasonal conditions when this Visual Inspection is conducted; the weather conditions in the days preceding and on the day of the Visual Inspection; the interaction of weather conditions and materials used in home construction; the fact that the Client is not the existing owner of the Property; the existence of hidden or latent conditions; and, other limitations and exclusions caused by the non-intrusive, visual nature of this Visual Inspection. 10) This Visual Inspection is not exhaustive. The fee charged for this general Visual Inspection is less than that of a technically exhaustive inspection, which would involve a number of professionals, a longer inspection and a significant increase in the cost of the inspection. If the Client wishes a more comprehensive inspection or reporting, which would require more time or a specialized or detailed review, the Client would be required to pay additional fees for those services with the appropriate professional, independently of this Agreement. 11) At the conclusion of the Visual Inspection, or within the agreed upon time, the Inspector will provide to the Client a written report of the Visual Inspection [hereinafter the "Report"]. The Client agrees to read the Report in its entirety to put the Visual Inspection, its terminology and its terms, conditions, limitations and exclusions in the proper context prior to taking any further step in dealing with or relying on the Report or Visual Inspection, including prior to waiving any conditions in a purchase transaction of the Property and/or proceeding with a purchase transaction of the Property. 12) If the Inspector and/or the Report recommend(s) further action or investigation, including, but not limited to, consulting with a specialized expert(s), the Client agrees to do so at his or her expense prior to taking any further step in dealing with or relying on the Report or Visual Inspection, including prior to waiving any conditions in a purchase transaction of the Property and/or proceeding with a purchase transaction of the Property. (Client's initials) (Inspector's initials) 12) Water/moisture leaks, seepage, seasonal runoff and/or drainage problems are often only visible during or after a certain amount of precipitation. The Parties accept that it may be impossible in most instances to observe water/moisture leaks, seepage and/or drainage problems unless the Visual Inspection is conducted during or immediately after sufficient precipitation to reveal such problems or under the circumstances which trigger such deficiencies. 13) The Parties accept that the Inspector is not responsible for discovering or reporting on the presence or absence of mould, mildew and fungi or any other environmental condition as it is not within the scope of this general Visual Inspection. Furthermore, the Parties accept that the Inspector is not responsible for any damages that arise from or is related to mould or mildew, even if the mould or mildew is a direct consequence of a condition upon which the Inspector is required to report as set forth in this Agreement. General Clauses of this Agreement 14) Notice of Claim - The Client acknowledges and agrees that any claim(s) or complaint(s) arising out of or related to any alleged act or omission of the Inspector in connection with this Visual Inspection shall be reported to the Inspector, in writing, within ten (10) business days of its discovery. Unless there is an emergency condition, the Client agrees to allow the Inspector a reasonable period of time to investigate the claim(s) or complaint(s) by, among other things, allowing a re-inspection of the Property by the Inspector before the Client, or anyone acting on the Client's behalf, repairs, replaces, alters or modifies the system or component that is the subject matter of the claim or complaint. The Client acknowledges and agrees that any failure to so notify the Inspector and allow the Inspector adequate time to investigate shall be deemed to have destroyed evidence that would have assisted the Inspector in documenting and understanding the claim or complaint. 15) Arbitration - Any dispute arises directly or indirectly from this Agreement, any disagreement relating to the performance thereof, shall be resolved by arbitration, to the exclusion of any court of law, conducted in accordance with the Rules of the Arbitration and Mediation Institute of Canada, before a single Arbitrator who is familiar with the home inspection industry. The decision of the arbitrator shall be final and binding and shall not be subject to appeal. All arbitration costs shall be shared equally. 16) Applicable Law - This Agreement shall be construed and governed in accordance with the laws of Ontario. 17) Confidentiality of Use and Collection of Information - The Client understands and agrees that the Visual Inspection is being performed (and the Report is being prepared) for the Client's sole confidential and exclusive benefit and use. The Report, or any portion thereof, is not extended to benefit any person that is not a party to this Agreement, including, but not limited to, the Property vendor(s) or the real estate agent(s) involved in any real estate (Client's initials) (Inspector’s initials) Transaction. The Client consents to the collection of his or her personal information by the Inspector, required and used for the purposes of preparing this Agreement, the conduct of the Visual Inspection and the preparation of the Report. Any personal confidential information of the Client contained in this Agreement or collected during the Visual Inspection will not be disclosed to third parties without the Client's written consent, unless such disclosure is required by law or ordered by a Court of competent jurisdiction. 18 ) Severability and Entire Agreement: The Parties agree that in the event that an Arbitrator determines that any provision(s) in this Agreement is void, void able or unenforceable, the remaining portions of this Agreement shall remain in full force and effect. This Agreement in its entirety and any written, attached, executed Addendum contains the entire Agreement between the Parties. The Parties hereby acknowledge and accept that there are no other representations, warranties or commitments, except as are specifically set forth herein. This Agreement further supersedes any and all representations or discussions, whether oral or written, if any, between the Parties, their representatives, employees and/or agents relating to the subject matter of this Agreement. This Agreement may only be modified, altered or amended in writing and signed by the Parties. 19) Facsimile Execution and Counterparts: The Parties agree and accept that acceptance of the signed version of this Agreement can be delivered by facsimile or e-mail transmission and that execution in counterparts will be acceptable. By signing below, the Parties acknowledge that they have read, understood and agreed to the terms, conditions, limitations and exclusions contained in this Agreement. Date of Agreement: (Date ofExecution of Agreenrnt by Inspector) (Date of Execution of Agreement by Client) Time of Agreement: (The Execution of Agreement by Inspector) (The Execution of Agreement by Client) Inspector Name I HAVE READ EACH CLAUSE OF THIS AGREEMENT — I UNDERSTAND THAT IT LIMITS THE INSPECTOR'S LIABILITY Last edited by rwand1; 9/13/06 at 2:33 PM.. |
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