TARION and PDI's

[Roger A. Frost]

Hello Everyone,

Had a booking for a PDI on new home in Barrie, ON today. Builder would not let me on the site, first he said I needed hard hat and work boots to be on site, when I started getting them out of my truck he then told me I had to leave the site. I told him I was waiting for my client etc. He even went so far as to phone TARION and let me listen to them repeat on speaker phone that the buyers had to give written notice to builder to have Home Inspector at a PDI.

I have never had this problem before, had some pissed off builders but never such hostility. Buyers came and they are going to postpone PDI until builder gives permission to have Home Inspector there. The builder pissed me off so much I told them I would do it for free, right in front of the builder. I am sure he knows any defect will get noticed.

Any thoughts on this, by the way if you want to see TARION held accountable for their way of doing business, stick this link on your web site and support better built homes.

http://www.canadiansforproperlybuilthomes.com/

Regards

Roger Frost

[Claude Lawrenson]

Technically the builder is on the hook for site safety - re: occupational health and safety. As such, the builder has the right to enforce safety requirements.

Some will even require evidence of slip and fall training, etc.

Until the house is turned over to the purchaser - technically its the builders call.

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Roger

I agree with Claude.
I also think you pissed off the builder by not showing him respect, you should have had your hard hat and safety boots on!

And did the purchaser provide this form to builder?

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

I have done 5 new homes this year and in cases the builder welcomed me.
Of course I asked his permission before opening the electrical and other things .
No problem as all good builders want to know how good their home is .

Of Course I got my usuall $399;00 . I do not work for less.
Roy Cooke

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by rcooke

I have done 5 new homes this year and in cases the builder welcomed me.
Of course I asked his permission before opening the electrical and other things .
No problem as all good builders want to know how good their home is .

Of Course I got my usuall $399.00 . I do not work for less.
Roy Cooke

Roy

Good for you!!!

I'm so happy that you are not one of those HI's that charge $150.00 or $199.00

I don't know if it's true or not but someone told me that an OAHI member will do an WETT and HI for $199.00!!!!!

Can you believe this? My truck would not leave my driveway for less than what you are charging.

[dcook1]

Originally Posted by mkyriacou

Roy

Good for you!!!

I'm so happy that you are not one of those HI's that charge $150.00 or $199.00

I don't know if it's true or not but someone told me that an OAHI member will do an WETT and HI for $199.00!!!!!

Can you believe this? My truck would not leave my driveway for less than what you are charging.

Mario,
You are incorrect there... He is a NACHI member and it is blatantly on his website.

Also there is one guy in Collingwood who advertises as "The home of the $99 inspection." When people ask me if I will match this price ( or the $200) I tell them these guys are still over priced.
Any idiot can do a home inspection for $100 or $200, but those who are real professionals are worth the money. Those who charge $100 or $200 are not professionals and promote themselves on cost as they cannot show they are worth the cost of a proper inspection. Some get enough work to get by on but have to keep giving money away as they simply are not very good at what they claim to be.

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

David

I stand corrected.

NACHI or OAHI you have to admit that this guy is out to lunch.

[dcook1]

Originally Posted by mkyriacou

David

I stand corrected.

NACHI or OAHI you have to admit that this guy is out to lunch.

Mario,
Anyone who claims to be an inspector and charges $100 or even $200 simply realize they are not worth what a real inspector is worth. That is the only thing they are smart enough about.
They may as well tell people they will work for free, because they are not worth more.
One of these $200 "inspector" dropped the ball last fall. His agent called me at 7:30 Saturday night to ask me to cover his bumm. The deal would die at midnight without the inspection. I was at a reception for my nephew in Brampton, and told her, 1. I was not going to walk out on my nephew. 2. It was already getting dark and to get to Barrie would take an hour and a half. She freaked when I declined.
This is the type of problem those cheep so called inspectors create for the real inspectors.
The best part is, a month later I did a house inspection and cheepos truck was in his driveway, next door. The buyers told me they knew cheepo was an inspector, but heard he was not good. Money does talk. It says a lot of things about you in your profession. If you are the cheepest inspector and advertising as such, it simply says.. "This person is so stupid they dare not charge what a real professional charges"

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

I figure each inspection cost to me is about $100:00 for all expenses .
So I charge $399:00 minus $100:00 my profit is about $300:00.
Now if an inspector charges $199:00 minus $100:00 profit is about $100:00.

Gee simple math says I make 3 times as much as he does.

It This was my profit of $100:00 it would keep me awake thinking I have to do 3 times as many inspection just to make the same wages.

I like the idea of working smarter not harder.

Working smarter gives me more time to fish I like that .

Life is to short to spend it all working for nothing .

Roy Cooke A Happy NACHI member

[dcook1]

Originally Posted by rcooke

I like the idea of working smarter not harder.

Working smarter gives me more time to fish I like that .

Life is to short to spend it all working for nothing .

Roy Cooke A Happy NACHI member

Roy,
That sounds good, but obviously there are some out there who are not that smart! And trying to educate the dumb ones can be a real waste of time.
It is the dumb ones who ruin the whole profession for real inspectors.
Their movie should come out soon... It is called DUMB and CHEAP!

[Claude Lawrenson]

Often these are the ones - that feel they might go for quantity over quality; or perhaps those freshly graduated from a "diploma mill". Looking for a start.

I agree, they undercut professionalism - but also at whose expense?
Hmm...and what about reputation?

At the same time - it may not necessarily make them a bad inspector - just one working too "darn" cheap!

That is one reason why I changed my market to "building" inspection rather than home inspection, and other specialty type inspection work. It does not make sense to work in a market that is only about cheap inspections. There's already enough inspectors out there driving prices down, rather than up!

[Roger A. Frost]

You guys are right. There are a lot of people out there with "poor" qualifications. My self on the other hand am quite confident that "few of these so called professionals" can match my qualifications and experience. But then I guess that is why they specialize in "cheap" shots. hahaha

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by rfrost

You guys are right. There are a lot of people out there with "poor" qualifications. My self on the other hand am quite confident that "few of these so called professionals" can match my qualifications and experience. But then I guess that is why they specialize in "cheap" shots. hahaha

Glad your qualifications are great .
I still think you must have missed a couple of Mathematic classes to work for1/3 + or - what I work for .
I just maybe a little luckier then you to be able to see there is not much advantage in working cheep.
I like the idea of 5 inspections making $1,500:00
Then 15 inspections making $1,500:00
More free time only 33% of the liabilities.

You call it " But then I guess that is why they specialize in "cheap" shots. hahaha"
I call it trying to educate others ,I also think you are in a very small miniorty.
I think many will agree with me

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I figure each inspection cost to me is about $100:00 for all expenses .
So I charge $399:00 minus $100:00 my profit is about $300:00.
Now if an inspector charges $199:00 minus $100:00 profit is about $100:00.

Gee simple math says I make 3 times as much as he does.

It This was my profit of $100:00 it would keep me awake thinking I have to do 3 times as many inspection just to make the same wages.

I like the idea of working smarter not harder.

Working smarter gives me more time to fish I like that .

Life is to short to spend it all working for nothing .

Roy Cooke A Happy NACHI member

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by rfrost

You guys are right. There are a lot of people out there with "poor" qualifications. My self on the other hand am quite confident that "few of these so called professionals" can match my qualifications and experience. But then I guess that is why they specialize in "cheap" shots. hahaha

Roger


What are you talking about? Ah, you must be one of the lowballers YES/NO ?

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

Often these are the ones - that feel they might go for quantity over quality; or perhaps those freshly graduated from a "diploma mill". Looking for a start.

I agree, they undercut professionalism - but also at whose expense?
Hmm...and what about reputation?

At the same time - it may not necessarily make them a bad inspector - just one working too "darn" cheap!

That is one reason why I changed my market to "building" inspection rather than home inspection, and other specialty type inspection work. It does not make sense to work in a market that is only about cheap inspections. There's already enough inspectors out there driving prices down, rather than up!

Claude

I agree with your above statement with the exception of "It may not necessarily make them a bad Inspector"
IMO I think it makes them "BAD" .In order to be considered a "GOOD" Inspector one has to be "GOOD" at everthing including pricing!!