From the Tattered Little Date Book

[rwand1]

Thought you might be interested to read this reply from the minister to an email query I sent to him a little while ago...

Dear Mr. Blakey:

Thank you for your electronic messages of October 22 and 28, 2005, expressing concern about the relationship between Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC) and the Canadian Association of Home and Property Inspectors (CAHPI), and about the exclusion of other organizations from consultation.

In 1996, a CMHC survey of the private home inspection industry indicated that there was a strong need to have a unified national body that represents the private inspection industry and bring professionalism to it. There was also the need to establish a structure that could be used to educate and protect the consumer. The private inspection industry was highly fragmented, comprised of a number of competing associations, franchises and individual firms with varying qualifications. This presented a serious problem within the housing sector.

In 1997, following extensive industry consultations, a report entitled "A Strategy to Provide Co-ordination of the Canadian Home Inspection Profession" was published. Responding to this strategy, the industry nominated private inspector representatives from across the industry and Canada, to form the industry alliance known as CAHPI.

As Canada's national housing agency, CMHC has strongly encouraged this industry-led national initiative. I encourage you to review the CMHC 2000 Research Highlight "Canadian Home Inspectors and Building Officials National Initiative", available on CMHC’s web site www.cmhc.ca, which outlines the background, the issue, the role of CMHC, the rationale for the creation of CAHPI, and its ensuing government-supported work, which has created the National Certification Process for Home and Property Inspectors. The National Association of Certified Home Inspectors (NACHI) is one of several organizations which, because they emerged following the extensive industry consultation and following the creation of a national alliance of private home inspectors and associations, did not participate in the consultations.

As previously explained to you in my October 27 letter, this industry-led national certification program will apply a consistent and national industry standard in Canada to voluntarily certify the competency of private home inspectors. While CMHC has no role in the certification of private home inspectors, the Corporation understands that the signing of certification equivalency agreements between CAHPI and other certifying organizations is key to national implementation. This may be a way for NACHI to participate in the national certification. You may wish to discuss this and the other questions you have raised, with CAHPI. It should be noted that the Standards Council of Canada Standard CAN-P-9, “Criteria for Accreditation of Personnel Certification Bodies”, is the basis for the national certification model for home and property inspectors. CMHC is unaware if NACHI would meet the requirements of CAN-P-9.

I can appreciate your concern. I hope that the foregoing information has been helpful.

Sincerely,


Original Signed by


The Honourable Joe Fontana, P.C., M.P.



Unique ID: AF78-F5-18CD67

[George A. H. Luck]

That huge sucking noise you are hearing? That is NACHI being kissed off.

The programme is flawed. It's implementation is flawed. It's implementors are flawed. The policy to exclude all non-aligned inspectors is flawed. The decision to exclude NACHI and it's membership is flawed. The pilot certification programme is flawed. The decision to render years of successfully completed inspections as worthless is flawed.

And apparently nobody in the Liberal government gave a damn .

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by gluck

That huge sucking noise you are hearing? That is NACHI being kissed off.

The programme is flawed. It's implementation is flawed. It's implementors are flawed. The policy to exclude all non-aligned inspectors is flawed. The decision to exclude NACHI and it's membership is flawed. The pilot certification programme is flawed. The decision to render years of successfully completed inspections as worthless is flawed.

And apparently nobody in the Liberal government gave a damn .

George the biggest problem with the national Certification is the Loud Mouth Minority make lots of noise .
And the very silent majority seem to be afraid to speak up( Except for a very few on this BB) .
If the loud mouths succeed to convince the Government it wont be because we have not tried
to get those who's future is at stake to give their openion.
I am sure we who are concerned for all will win and the future will be great for all Home Inspectors.

The more I hear,
the more I see!
NACHI is the one for me !
Roy Cooke R.H.I. Royshomeinspection.com
A HAPPY NACHI MEMBER,... More find this out ever day!

[rwand1]

I have had several realestate agents inform me that one member of CAHPI is making the following statements. (paraphrasing).

The CAPHI programme was the only national programme extant that would provide reliable inspectors

That only inspectors who are members of CAPHI and certified by that body should be used

That all inspectors who were operating outside of the CAPHI membership / programme were incompetent and a dangerous unknown quantity

That CREA was on side with this programme and would shortly be making an announcement to that effect instructing agents and brokers to use only CAPHI member / certified inspectors

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

I do know many CAHPI and OAHI members come here for information .
It is obvious they are getting little or none from their own Bulletin Boards or their associations..
Their BB use is almost zero I have a feeling that intimidation is just as Strong as it was before .
This sure is a poor way to treat their members.
NACHI might not be perfect but it sure gives helps ALL! better then the Canadian association do .
Here you can ask with out fear of repercussions and ill treatment.
This has been proved many times that it does happen on the Canadian BB.



The more I hear,
the more I see!
NACHI is the one for me !
Roy Cooke R.H.I. Royshomeinspection.com
A HAPPY NACHI MEMBER,... More find this out ever day!

[rwand1]

CREA (Cdn Real Estate Assoc.) Pledge of Competition

http://www.crea.ca/public/realtor_codes/pledge.htm

Member Boards and Associations of The Canadian Real Estate Association support free and open competition. We believe in the principles embodied in the Competition Act of Canada. Therefore we adhere to a Code of Conduct which includes the following standards:

• Commission rates or fees members charge for services offered to the public, and the division of those fees among cooperating members, are solely the choice of those providing the services.
• A brokerage may offer any variety of services e.g. exclusive, open, MLS® listings etc. Boards and real estate Associations accept MLS® listings regardless of the price, commission rates or fees, or the division thereof.
• Advertising by members and non-members is subject to the discretion of the individual, as long as it is honest and lawful. We encourage creative, competitive choice in the services advertised to the public.
• The business relationships between Broker members, their salespersons and non-members is theirs to determine. With regard to Board and Association membership, members may choose for themselves to work full or part time, as long as they remain available to serve the public on a regular basis and provided provincial enabling legislation does not otherwise authorize a limitation of such choice.
• All members are required to meet uniform and reasonable financial and educational standards. They are required to demonstrate integrity and character necessary to protect the public.

By using the MLS® and REALTOR® trademarks, all member Boards and Associations of The Canadian Real Estate Association proclaim adherence to these principles, designed to preserve free and open competition.

Principles of Competition

http://www.crea.ca/public/realtor_codes/principle.htm

These are the specific terms of the Principles of Competition approved by the member Boards and Associations of The Canadian Real Estate Association at the Annual General Assembly in 1999, still in effect today. It is provided with interpretations of some of the key points in the application of the Principles of Competition.
The purpose of a listing service operated under the MLS® trademark is the orderly correlation and dissemination of listing information to its members so that through cooperation in the marketing of property REALTORS® may better serve the buying and selling public. Member real estate Boards and Associations shall not undertake any activity or enact or enforce any rules which run contrary to these guidelines subject to any applicable laws, government statute, ordinance or regulation, and to any final decree of any court or administrative agency.

Therefore member Boards and Associations must not:

1. Fix, establish, suggest, maintain or control the commission rates or fees for MLS® or other listing services or any services to be rendered by members.
2. Fix, establish, suggest, maintain or control the division of commissions or fees between cooperating members or members and non-members.
3. Require financial support of the Multiple Listing Service® operation by any formula based on commissions charged for the provision of real estate services.
4. Finance a Multiple Listing Service® by any formula based on sales price, unless that fee does not exceed $400.00 per transaction. That limit may be increased in accordance with any increases in the Consumer Price Index as published by Statistics Canada and experienced since January 2000.
5. Require or agree with a publisher or publication in which the Board or Association has no financial interest to refuse any type of advertising from members or non-members including refusals based on the commission rate or fees contained therein or recommend the type of advertising to be accepted by such publishers/publications.
6. Prevent or restrict advertising by members of commission rates or fees, or advertising of for sale by owner or other consultative services, or offering or advertising of inducements, incentives, gifts, prizes, refunds or rebates.
7. Generally restrict advertising by members or non-members unless the advertising is:
   • • 
       i. False or misleading,
   • • 
       ii. Prohibited by law, or
   • • 
       iii. Restricted at the request of the vendor.
8. Prohibit or discourages cooperation with non-members.
9. Limit or interfere with the terms of the relationship between members.
10. Require Brokers or salespersons work full time in real estate sales, brokerage or related industries as a condition of membership although membership may be terminated based on complaints that member(s) are proven not available to serve the public on a regular and consistent basis and/or in accordance with standards of competence and integrity necessary to serve the public.
11. Refuse membership in a Board or Association to any broker or salesperson unless they fail to meet uniform and reasonable financial and educational criteria or standards of competence, integrity and character that are reasonably necessary for the protection of the public.
12. Reject a listing submitted to the MLS® system by a member on the basis of price, commission rate or fees contained in the listing.
13. Prohibit or discourage a member from accepting a listing from a vendor preferring to give “office exclusive”.

It shall be the duty and obligation of member Boards of The Canadian Real Estate Association to examine their Rules and Regulations to assure that they conform to this policy. The right of real estate Boards and Associations, to use the certification and design marks of CREA, may be terminated in the event of a failure to adhere to the Principles of Competition.

http://www.crea.ca/public/realtor_co..._of_ethics.htm

[rwand1]

I guess Mr. Mullen is not creditable; the article in the London Free Press was attrubuted to him. Now he disclaims the statements claiming he never made them, but the reporter did. Well I guess the reporter had to get the facts from someone, and seeing as Mr. Mullen is or was the spokesperson at the time.... well need I say anything further. This is the same Mr. Mullen who has been on record many time contradicting himself. Open mouth insert foot....

http://www.raymondwand.ca/cahpi1.htm
http://www.raymondwand.ca/cahpi2.htm

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by rwand1

I guess Mr. Mullen is not creditable; the article in the London Free Press was attrubuted to him. Now he disclaims the statements claiming he never made them, but the reporter did. Well I guess the reporter had to get the facts from someone, and seeing as Mr. Mullen is or was the spokesperson at the time.... well need I say anything further. This is the same Mr. Mullen who has been on record many time contradicting himself. Open mouth insert foot....

http://www.raymondwand.ca/cahpi.htm

It really is too bad Bill was a great guy and helped me a lot when I was just starting .
I do not understand why he had to change .
It looks like he can tell others where they are wrong but lacks the ability to receive correction for him self.
He lowered him self considerably in my mind when he started to call others liars when he has made many wrong posts himself.
This figure is used by many at OAHI on a continuing basis and Bill did post it more then once and also had these figures on his web site.


The more I hear,
the more I see!
NACHI is the one for me !
Roy Cooke R.H.I. Royshomeinspection.com
A HAPPY NACHI MEMBER,... More find this out ever day!

.

[rwand1]

Maybe NACHI would like to Sponsor a CREA event? Is NACHI going to let CAHPI tell CREA who they can dance with?

http://www.crea.ca/public/crea/2006_...rship_opps.pdf

[wjung]

Ray,
I would think it would be a good idea for NACHI or the organizers of the major 2007 conference in Toronto to extend a formal invitation to CREA to participate in the conference.
Wolf

[rwand1]

Reply to Mr. Mullens comments on the CAHPI discussion board.

http://www.raymondwand.ca/cahpiA.html
http://www.raymondwand.ca/cahpiB.html

BM Quote:

I guess your eyes are much better than mine, because I don't see anywhere that I am being credited for saying what you claim. I was not 'quoted' at all about that or anything else, for that matter. That is an article written by a reporter.

RW replies:
Gee I guess you do need glasses because you are the one quoted in the article. Your name is Bill Mullen right?

BM Quote:

I have much better things to do with my time than do your research for you about figures. The number of 5000 has been industry-accepted ever since CMHC determined it many years ago. It's not my number and it's not CAHPI's.

RW replies:
You have been asked repeatedly about statements you make but as of this point in time you haven't been able to substantiate anything!

BM Quote:

Besides, who cares if it's 5000, 3000 or 10,000.? The fact is, CAHPI and competent Canadian Home Inspectors have something to be very proud of.

RW replies:
Who cares? Well you obviously don't! You have stated 5000 inspectors will be certified by 2007! That in itself will be impossible because there aren't 5000 inspectors, nor would it be posssible to certify 5000 by 2007! So as to higher or lower number you seem to have a problem with embellishment.

BM Quote:

Your preference to cozy up to an American Realtor-owned and operated company is your choice and I wish you well with that. Please don't use your preference for non-Canadians against true Canadian Home Inspectors.

RW replies:
Now that comment is typical of your long held views about anyone you feel does not meet your standard or your voluntary certification process. If you are suggesting that anyone other then CAHPI or OAHI are competent that is laughable.

Further there are confirmed reports that comments are being made that require explanation. These are:

The CAPHI programme was the only national programme extant that would provide reliable inspectors

* That only inspectors who are members of CAPHI and certified by that body should be used

* That all inspectors who were operating outside of the CAPHI membership / programme were incompetent and a dangerous unknown quantity

* That CREA was on side with this programme and would shortly be making an announcement to that effect instructing agents an brokers to use only CAPHI member / certified inspectors

RW replies:
Seeing as you can never fully support your statements, and are now denying statements attributed to you in the London Free Press which is in line with your further statements in the Canadian Home Inspector Magazine on page 8 (winter 2006), again stating 5000 inspectors will be certified. You alluded to the same facts on another inspectors forum, Inspectors News. Perhaps you could clarify the statements in bold above?

Have you read CREA's mission statement and position about competition? Because the above quoted statements by a CAHPI spokesperson run contrary to CREA's mandate. The statements are also anti competitive, restrictrive, and slanderous. You know fully well there are many qualified inspectors not aligned and aligned.

Thanks for providing proof that much of what has been stated is nothing but falsehoods and embellished and wishful thinking on your part.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

CAHPI Board . ? That is the board that discriminates Has very poor ethicks and removed me because my one and only post was to offer new or old inspectors help .
I said how much I appreciated being able to phone some one when I was on an inspection and get an answer to some thing I did not understand and I gave my phone number.
I guess they do not wish to have me trying to help any inspectors.
Talk about a closed mind group of leaders
These are the people who feel they should control the home inspection industry in Canada.
Its their way or no way.

.The more I hear,
the more I see!
NACHI is the one for me !
Roy Cooke R.H.I. Royshomeinspection.com
A HAPPY NACHI MEMBER,... More find this out ever day!

[rwand1]

Mr. Mullen certainly seems to have a problem dealing with truth. He has made statements which he cannot back up. Now he calls me a liar, very professional indeed. He has made statements attributed to him in the London Free Press and now denies having made them.

This is the same person who was using the ASHI designation/logo even though he was no longer a member.

This is the same person who has unresolved complaints with the BBB and was removed from the BBB because of his inability to deal properly with a problem he created.

This is the same person who stated many times that I was misusing my RHI, even though he has no concrete proof.

This is the same person who has on numerous public posted stated how he feels about NACHI , its members and Mr. Gromicko.

Strangley enough this is the same person who has problems being factual.

Do you really believe someone who cannot answer the hard questions and must revert to calling people liars?

__________________________________________________ ___

As quoted by Mr. Mullen on the CAHPI forum. Can you trust this person to do what is right?

Mr. Wand:

Obviously if you say something often enough, you believe it. I'll type slowly so maybe you can read and understand all the words:

Of course my name is in the article, but nowhere does it say that I said there are 5000 Canadian Home Inspectors or that we would have them all certified by 2007. I might have said it, but the article does NOT quote me.

Just to add more fuel to your outrageously raging fire, I will state here very clearly. There are at least 5000 people in Canada doing Home Inspections. Anyone can verify that by reading a number of publications including those issued by CMHC over the years.

The intent of the Canadian Home Inspector Certification program is to certify as many as possible, as long as they can prove their competence based on the standards being used in the project. The machanisms are now in place to conduct certification reviews on many inspectors. If we have to do 50 to 100 per week, we have the capacity, methods and personpower in place to do it.

You have called me a liar in public many times sir, and you have not one shred of evidence to prove your accusations. Your desperation is pitiful.

I have never, and never will state that only members of CAHPI Associations are competent. I know many home inspectors who do not belong to any association who are excellent inspectors. I even know some who belong to your American company who are very good. Unfortunately, because your owner has counselled you not to participate in the Certification Program, only a handful will be able to show their abilities.

As far as those statements that you printed in bold letters, I have no idea where they came from. I can't refute or confirm their origin or content. For all I know, maybe you made them up.............it wouldn't be the first time that you have twisted others' words to suit your venomous cause.

Whether or not CREA is onside with this is up to them. All I know is that reputable, credible Realtors are looking for some consistency in training and competency of Canadian Home Inspectors, and the National Certification Model provides that.

The National Certification Program and CAHPI have embarked on a POSITIVE agenda for Canadian Home Inspectors and consumers. Your constant criticism and negative comments do nobody any good.


Bill Mullen
__________________
Bill Mullen RHI
CAHPI Past President
National Certification Project Coordinator

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

I feel this is just the Continuing Bulling by CAHPI.

I think all should just DISMISS Mr. Bill Mullen his group and their wants as Hog Wash.
This group is are only trying to sell smoke and Mirrors to make them selves
look like they are doing much for the
Canadian Home Inspection Industry.
They talk about what is comming and how great it is going to be.
They are all full of Bull they do not answer simple questions OR give proper information.
Can any one tell me ( B. Mullens figures ) WHY 5,000 Canadian Home inspectors should allow 220 RHIs of OAHI/CAHPI
to make decisions that will effect all Canadian Home Inspectors.
This group is just trying to make them selves the Controllers of our industry.
In 10 plus years they have had a closed door pollicy and still have only just 220 RHIs.
They manage to sell around 400 ± packages every year they milk 500 ± students and associates
for funds that they continually refuse to have a proper audit to show how it is spent.

The more I hear,
the more I see!
NACHI is the one for me !
Roy Cooke R.H.I. Royshomeinspection.com
A HAPPY NACHI MEMBER,... More find this out ever day!

[rwand1]

My replies
http://www.raymondwand.ca/cahpiB.html