Unaffilated members must sign contract

[Claude Lawrenson]

I am not here to argue - I only try to provide another side to the posts. Is the gass half full or half empty?

[rwand1]

Queen vs. Cognos.

http://www.canlii.org/ca/cas/scc/1993/1993scc3.html

CAHPI made an offer a very simple offer. The offer was taken at face value. After the offer was taken (by acceptance of a cheque of $100 to CAHPI) the terms of which are not fully presented anywhere at anytime, then the contractual terms started to be dictated and are still incomplete and most certainly will be added to yet. Sorry I signed on to be a Guinea Pig. I did not sign anything else indicating an obligation on my behalf to complete or be obligated to do something else that is after the fact.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

Hey if you want to perpetuate "other" agendas - I will gladly remove my comment.

Claude can you tell my why you would threaten to remove your post when we disagree?
Quote: Originally Posted by clawrenson All inspectors under the national certificate program will be required to conform, regardless of affiliation or lack thereof.
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Gee when I sign something and my money is taken I think we have a binding agreement for both sides.
OAHI stated that the applications for the certification exam would be on a first come basis.
We now know that is . Incorrect .
OAHI By-law 31 (f) to seek and maintain affiliations with,and to co-operate with,other organizations having objects, in whole or in part, the same or similar to the objects of the association.
We now know that is . Incorrect .
OAHI By-law article 18 10 Act in good faith to all. Uphold the integrity and reputation of the profession. Respond promptly to compaints.
We now know that is . Incorrect .
Bill Mullen is now to over see the "Implementation Phase of the National Certification for the Canadian Home Inspectors,which is the culmination of eight year,two million dollar initiative to educate,assess,and certify the approximately 5,000 Home Inspectors in the country under the umbrella of CAHPI."
We all know that if it is $2,000,000.00 then the largest % is taxpayers money and very little if any has come from Cahpi. so I feel this statement is also Incorrect .
We have been told many times By Bill and others that it was a misprint to say 5,000 Home inspectors in Canada.
We now know that is . Incorrect ...
CAHPI says " We now need several people to serve in various capacities. The Chief Examiner Claude Lawrenson, will be looking for experienced inspectors across the country to serve as Examiners for the Peer Review."
I also feel it is . Incorrect .for this information to have been given to others and NACHI is being ignored
I have asked for more information and who was running the show and who is making the decision's.
I think it is a disgrace for CAHPI and Claude ( who is a NACHI member ) to continue to not follow the rules of common decency ,of OAHI,CAHPI AND NACHI.
As I have said before the only chance for this National certification to go ahead is to come clean share info with all and to give a proper co-operation .
Thanks to Claude for giving what little Info we get but it has not been given voluntarily we have had to dig hard for ever little bit.
So many things so to be so unfair example I am led to believe that over 90% of the 100 are CAHPI members this leaves the less then 10% to be NACHI and the None aliened home inspectors .
This is not a proper way to dispence of the taxpayers money .
Sounds very one sided to me and Nepotism is showing still.
The more I hear,
the more I see!
NACHI is the one for me !
Roy Cooke R.H.I. Royshomeinspection.com
A HAPPY NACHI MEMBER,... More find this out ever day!
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[rwand1]

you forgot...

That the National has not been certified to CAN P9, even though management say it does meet CAN P9.

The National Certification Authority will maintain a database of all National Certificate Holders, but will not promote the individuals. The certification authority database will only respond to a search for an individual certificate holder, it will not provide a list of all certificate holders.

The National Certification Authority will maintain a database of all National Certificate Holders, but will not promote the individuals. The certification authority database will only respond to a search for an individual certificate holder, it will not provide a list of all certificate holders.

So they want to certify the non affiliated but it will be up to CAHPI to promote members, but if your unaffiliated you must play by their rules, but forget being promoted as an unaffiated member you are on your own.

Gee it sure sounds to me like someone, somebody has a lot of explaining to do. The two sentences are directly from Andrew Dixon President of OAHi. I guess Mr. Dixon speaks for everyone including the non affiliated.

[Claude Lawrenson]

First - Roy Sr. I do not threaten - its simply not my nature. "I offered" to remove it, or any other post. If people do not like to hear what I have to offer in expressing my opinion, I will gladly and respectfully remove it.

All the rest is a matter of "personal" opinion. Everyone is hopefully entitled to at least that.

Please tell me - what rules have I broken? I certainly have kept my mouth shut about some activities that will equally embarrass NACHI. Why - because its the professional thing to do.

I have "voluntarily" offered information. Take what you have hopefully as better and more than what others have offered you. Seems that "others" are not to willing to offer you much either. Bottom line: I am not responsible for any communications between the National Initiative and any person, or association. It all comes from one source - the one that you choose to bad mouth and continue to complain about. So until I have been given the approval to offer an "official" statement for the record, I have offered - just that - personal opinion on many areas and subject matters.

Its too bad that some truly feel the National Initiative is morally corrupt, along with all the people involved in it. Its almost too bad that you feel the need to constantly attack people personally, and bad mouth associations. Its simply and equally as unprofessional as anything alleged in this type of discussion. Its counter-productive, and often leads to either very few or no responses.

So please ramble on - one can only gather real evidence by the words used here. Besides all the rest is likely just hearsay.

[Claude Lawrenson]

Ray - its equally unfortunate that OAHI has put certain words in writing to its members - that is different than what CAHPI and the National Certification Authority originally released. Like the first 100 applicants, just to name one instance. Compare the documents - there are differences. There have been to my knowledge a few others.

But than again mistakes really do happen.

Again just my personal point of view.

[rwand1]

Claude

This fiasco seems to be bigger than you or me, and there are those that seemingly are in a power struggle. Unfortunately it seems that the rules are being made under the guise that decision have legal standing and weight, which they do not, because it is still a non profit entity which has set itself up as some regulating body with no legal weight whatsoever because there is no legislation from the government to back it up. Not to mention the appearance of secrecy, self appointments and special interests.

Had it not been for me spilling the beans there is by all appearances that the non affiliated where to be kept in the dark purposely, but then expected to comply.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

My statements above in quotation marks " are exactly that Information that is in print and rules that are not followed .
I am not the one who started the Bad mouthing .
Bill Mullen is the one who printed incorrect remarks and false information about me and continues to spread false information .
I am only continuing to tell those who read here that he is capable of giving false information but does not seem capable of correcting his errors.
He has made many false statements .
I try to be very carefull and only give out information that I feel is correct . If you or any one can show where I have posted false information then I will apologize and correct it immediately.
I do stand by with what I have said and if you look above I am sure you can see I am correct with my statements .

Another statement I just read and I quote "It is clearly understood that no CAHPI funds will be used . "
If this is the case then I as a taxpayer should be able to voice my openion where I see my tax dollars are not being used fairly.
As the Chief Examiner Do you sit quiet when you see errors in this system .

The more I hear,
the more I see!
NACHI is the one for me !
Roy Cooke R.H.I. Royshomeinspection.com
A HAPPY NACHI MEMBER,... More find this out ever day!

[rwand1]

From another inspection board...
Apparently Bill Mullen said...

NACHI people would have had a better chance to get through the certification if Nick had cooperated. He said he gave Nick a chance and Nick screwed up.

He said we all had to prove what courses we took and that any school we went to had to have there courses checked by CAPHI.

From a friend in Kingston that Ralph Banks who is a Treasurer with OAHI said that OAHI would be running the certification program within a year and that CAPHI (Bills group) would be dead.

Well.... isn't that peachy. Lets blame Nick. Quite frankly I think Nick is not to blame. It is becoming more and more apparent who has screwed up. It would seem Nick has been able to see through the smoke and mirrors.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

It seeems so consistant with OAHi every year they have one or more directors resign form there position on the Board of Directors .
This year they had two give up in the first week.

At least we can to see they are very have a great tract record.
You know I had never thought about this before but I wonder what % of the OAHI directors and Committee members work at home inspection only.
Wow ! we have a many part timers trying to shape this industry when they do not even have to make their living at it . Sort of ironic when you think about it .
The more I hear,
the more I see!
NACHI is the one for me !
Roy Cooke R.H.I. Royshomeinspection.com
A HAPPY NACHI MEMBER,... More find this out ever day!

[rwand1]

I hear there are a lot of full time firemen in OAHI, guess they can use their training to put out all the fires that are burning. Ha ha, joke, get it?

[Claude Lawrenson]

Roy Cooke stated: "As the Chief Examiner Do you sit quiet when you see errors in this system."

Respectfully, once again that is where we differ in the opinion department! There seems to be a multi-faced attack to blame and pit differences between OAHI and CAHPI. Not to forget dragging up the same old dirty laundry, that seems to never go away.

My read on this is like other comments, possibly based on communication issues. But I see communication as a two-way street. It seems that communication is becoming one of a lost art. Some state facts, try to answer question, but are constantly interrupted by those not willing to listen, or let the speaker finish their discussion. Others choose to put their own spin on the discussion, or be selective in order to support their theories.

If there are so many blatant errors as you claim, even after all of the letter writing, and the purposely planted time bombs of misinformation, and misunderstanding; why does the N.I. process continue? Perhaps not just because of the honest and hard and dedicated work of the committees, but that of other professionals that have very little to do directly with home inspection. But also because those that you often hold in such low self-esteem and continue to bash - have often set differences aside and moved on in a professional manner. It is supportive to hear and see and have acknowledgment that other view things as being fair and being respectful of equality that some others unfortunately fail to see.

I appreciate a certain amount of well-founded skepticism; but once again discussion and comments of recent are far beyond professional, and are ethically challenged. Once again there seems to be a continual undermining by a core group within NACHI to destroy the process. Perhaps some see that ploy and the propaganda spread openly here for what it really is. Perhaps that is why it often falls on deaf ears, and becomes questionable. Seems the same people all the time have are really bothered by the survival of those they planned to kill. Perhaps just a metaphor - but read very differently by those that see the threats openly stated on this forum.

What is even more interest in your recent discussions is why there once again seems to be those within NACHI who are bound and determine to turn even the mere fact that a significant number of former NACHI people have defected, into name calling and bad mouthing and defamation. It seems to be once again stepping down to a new all time low. Perhaps the people you are complaining to are also wiser for getting to know and understand another side of the NACHI face of professionalism, at least portrayed and seemingly out of control by NACHI in Canada. Remember statements in writing can be used as evidence of the facts.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

Its too bad that some truly feel the National Initiative is morally corrupt, along with all the people involved in it. Its almost too bad that you feel the need to constantly attack people personally, and bad mouth associations. Its simply and equally as unprofessional as anything alleged in this type of discussion. Its counter-productive, and often leads to either very few or no responses.

So please ramble on - one can only gather real evidence by the words used here. Besides all the rest is likely just hearsay.

I am sorry for you and others when the truth upsets you all.
What people have I attacked .
Bill M is the only one that I know who has spread and continues to spread incorrect information.
Claude I am sorry if think some "feel the National Initiative is Morally corrupt."
I know I have no way of knowing as I do not feel we have been given the information to make this decision .
In fact I have continually asked many questions and have received almost ZERO answers.
This has led me to wonder what is being hidden .
If you go over my many posts you will see I have never wavered not a little bit from
My complaints over the last couple of years .
Quote "Follow the Rules " .
This has been done very sporadicly by both CAHPI and OAHI .
They both choose to follow those rules they wish too and ignore other rules
This is what is wrong with our Canadian Associations .
This is exactly why I left OAHI .
If OAHI did do as they should I would have been as Big and Hard a worker for OAHI as I am for the Non OAHI home inspector.
All wounds have been self inflicted with OAHI and CAHPI .
OAHI & CAHPI can now reap what they have sown.

The more I hear,
the more I see!
NACHI is the one for me !
Roy Cooke R.H.I. Royshomeinspection.com
A HAPPY NACHI MEMBER,... More find this out ever day!

[rwand1]

Not to forget dragging up the same old dirty laundry, that seems to never go away.

Your comment is pathetic! There is overwhelming proof what is going on and what has gone on. If OAHI cannot effectively deal with complaints, cannot accept responsibility as it is enacted to do, and those elected or those who sit on committees cannot act appropriately and are playing favourites, then perhaps you need to step away from your roles too, because you are obviously part of the problem. No body is going to have me committ to rules when I know damn well there is no accountabilty now. Don't come here and make it sound any other way. No credibility has resulted from yours and other ignorance.

If OAHI are accountable and acting accordingly I would have had my complaints answered in a timely manner! That is not certainly the case. You and others better be prepared to back up your complecency and ignorance cause it is not going to wash. For a college professor you sure know how to play ignorant when you know the rules are being broken.

You seem to be right in there pretty thick with your own position so don't preach to me and Mr. Cooke and the others that you are holier than thou. You are no better then the rest who conspire around you. Either you are your own man or you are gullible.

You are part of the problem, you don't seem wiling to be part of the solutions to deal with a corrupt body and that includes your cohorts on the National and the CAHPI and in OAHi. If you can't stand the truth too bad.

[Claude Lawrenson]

I find it old info to continually hear that Bill has said bad things about either you or Roy. I am not aware of any such situation. If you can - simply provide proof to me by private email. Than I will withdraw my comments respecting bad mouthing, particularly "Bill M is the only one that I know who has spread and continues to spread incorrect information." or "Bill Mullen is the one who printed incorrect remarks and false information about me and continues to spread false information." I need not go any further...but the list goes on.

Please advise me of written confirmation of such instances in the past few months.

On the issue of OAHI - when did this issue by you first surface? "If OAHI are accountable and acting accordingly I would have had my complaints answered in a timely manner! That is not certainly the case. You and others better be prepared to back up your complacency and ignorance cause it is not going to wash. For a college professor you sure know how to play ignorant when you know the rules are being broken."

Seems respect was somehow lost over time. Respect means "To feel or show honour or esteem for someone or something; to consider the well being of, or to treat someone or something with deference or courtesy". Showing respect is a basic law of life. Showing respect is not constantly driving home negativity on old, unfinished issues that keep being dragged through almost every topic discussed hear. I think people got your earlier messages.

I don't need to back up anything. Nor do I consider my self ignorant. You and maybe a small handful have made this an issue. It's unresolved - and not gone one step further has it not. Please present the facts - nothing has or will change - so kindly suggest moving on. Once again facts, hearsay, guilty not guilty! The jury is still out. Have 3 years passed. This once again old news not new news? Once again it is what I consider old dirty laundry. You simply will not get answers by attacking people, things or situations. Negativity simply breeds contempt.