Unaffilated members must sign contract

[rwand1]

My complaints are in at OAHI. You as Ethics Chair at CAHPI is a farce, not you but the position. You have no power and it most certainly appears that anything you did do in your role was circumvented. We all know where my complaint about threats went with CAHPI, no where.

It not dirty laundry, its not history, its real time events. No objectivity in the process clouded by myopic views, friendships, business aquaintenances, et cetera. How can anyone be guaranteed of objectivity when there is so much subjectivity and power tripping? Get a grip on reality. If you cannot deal with real problems of serious nature then you are part of the problem and certainly not part of the solution.

Mr. Mullen has a well founded history of making statements that are known to be false. He sure seems incapable of telling the truth. You must have a short memory. As to others on the BOD of CAHPI I wouldn't trust them with the time.

The latest gaff is Mr. Mullen stating 2 million dollars, when the budget figures tell a different story. Just who is Mr. Mullen and his task handlers trying to entice or mislead? If they know the facts are incorrect as we know why the silence. Seems Mr. Mullen and others can do as they please and you are incapable of doing anything about it. You seem to go along with the ride. That is not acceptable.

Sorry you have a habitual habit of denying the truth and trying to trivialize it.

[rwand1]

From someone pretty high up the rung in CAHPI. Read it and figure it out.

1. As CAHPI National has no individual members, it has no jurisdiction over anyone!!!!!! This issue is not within the mandate of the CAHPI Ethics Committee.(name blanked out) please - Stop wasting your time and breath. Even if "CAHPI National" was to make some sort of a "ruling" they cannot enforce it. CAHPI National is an association of associations. Refer the complaint to the relevant association if there is one. Otherwise, sign off.
2. It has long been my understanding that the function of Committees at the National level would not be to interact in the affairs of specific and individual members, but to operate at a high level, dealing with issue such as policies and guiding principles.
3. There is also the issue of whether or not this is even an Ethical issue. I don't want to make a ruling on this, but even if there were an explicit threat of violence, this is more of a criminal matter, rather than an ethical one.
4. The CAHPI Ethics Committee is not empowered to hold disciplinary proceedings and that the discipline function is carried out at the provincial level. It seems this issue is a NACHI problem.
5. You're right, (name removed). This is an unresolved issue between the complainant and defendant. Regrettably, neither one appears willing or able to deal with it in an adult fashion, but that does not give them the right to drag CAHPI or OAHI into it. I expect that it will continue for years.

There you have it folks this is how CAHPI feels about COE violations and threats. I guess if you have special status and are liked by those in power they can usurp due process. Adult fashion? Let me tell you I was not making the threats, someone else did. Instead of dealing with it somebody washed their hands of it. What is in store for similar problems or issues that pop up that are to hot to handle when Certification roles around?

So CAHPI has no power and the real power is in the Provincial Assoc. The only problem is the Provincial association just as morally bankrupt as CAHPI. Sorry self regulating bodies do not hide and sweep things under the proverbial rug. They deal with it. I guess it just depends how desperate the associations are to keep the lights on and make it look like things are on the up and up.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

I find it old info to continually hear that Bill has said bad things about either you or Roy. I am not aware of any such situation. If you can - simply provide proof to me by private email. Than I will withdraw my comments respecting bad mouthing, particularly "Bill M is the only one that I know who has spread and continues to spread incorrect information." or "Bill Mullen is the one who printed incorrect remarks and false information about me and continues to spread false information." I need not go any further...but the list goes on.

Please advise me of written confirmation of such instances in the past few months.

On the issue of OAHI - when did this issue by you first surface? "If OAHI are accountable and acting accordingly I would have had my complaints answered in a timely manner! That is not certainly the case. You and others better be prepared to back up your complacency and ignorance cause it is not going to wash. For a college professor you sure know how to play ignorant when you know the rules are being broken."

Seems respect was somehow lost over time. Respect means "To feel or show honour or esteem for someone or something; to consider the well being of, or to treat someone or something with deference or courtesy". Showing respect is a basic law of life. Showing respect is not constantly driving home negativity on old, unfinished issues that keep being dragged through almost every topic discussed hear. I think people got your earlier messages.

I don't need to back up anything. Nor do I consider my self ignorant. You and maybe a small handful have made this an issue. It's unresolved - and not gone one step further has it not. Please present the facts - nothing has or will change - so kindly suggest moving on. Once again facts, hearsay, guilty not guilty! The jury is still out. Have 3 years passed. This once again old news not new news? Once again it is what I consider old dirty laundry. You simply will not get answers by attacking people, things or situations. Negativity simply breeds contempt.

Please tell me
(A) why I should give you proof of my statements .
( B) what good would it do you have ignored past wrong doings.
(C) what authority do feel you have with his wrong doing in as a member of OAHI.
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Wrong doing yesterday or three years ago is still wrong doing .
False statements are false statements no mater when they where made .
Roy Cooke sr.

[lewens]

I would love to get a look at the "binding contract" that we will have to sign.
I doubt it will be forthcoming until after the money is paid and the certification issued.
Larry

[rwand1]

Larry you are not obligated to sign a contract after your money has been taken. It's no different then renting a car and paying for it then when you return the car you are asked to sign the contract and initial specific clauses, and then asked to pay a premium to waive certain contractual terms in the rental contract.

Maybe the contract needs to be audited under CAN P9 guidelines.

Cheers,

[rrichards2]

Originally Posted by lewens

I would love to get a look at the "binding contract" that we will have to sign.
I doubt it will be forthcoming until after the money is paid and the certification issued.
Larry

Money is paid...contract is signed...certification issued.?????

[rwand1]

Hey guys, what is OAHI going to do with me? For example if I become certified and their is a complaint lodged and OAHI is responsible for me because I live in Ontario and they have not dealt with my serious complaints, how do you think it is going to look when I start bringing out the negligence and other dirt in order to defend myself. I don't think they would want to go there?

I only know that there are some who have no business being in the postions they are in because of their abuse and special status, and are good liars. If you are a good liar and can manipulate things and get your buddies to tow the same line there is a place for you! :0)

[rwand1]

From CHIBO II

Individuals who are within the National Certification Program MAY or MAY NOT be members of a CAHPI Provincial Association. Provincial Association membership is not a requirement of entry into the National Certification Program.

Rationale: It is not appropriate to require individuals who are within the National Certification Program to be members of a CAHPI provincial association, because this requirement would give a provincial association the power to determine whether or not an individual should be within the National Certification Program. This power must remain with the National Certification Council.

And why does the power of certification remain at the National level?

quote:From CHIBO II

National Certification Council

In the case of the home and property occupation, the Working Committee determined that CAHPI would become the National Certification Body and create a National Certification Council.

CAN-P-9 criteria do not allow decisions on certification to be subcontracted. However, other organizations could provide the National Certification Council with recommendations as to whether specific individuals meet the background requirements of the National Certification Program.

Elements of the national certification model developed by the CHIBO Working Committee would be difficult for a National Certification Council to administer. Therefore, this model assumes that associations at the provincial level will be involved in the National Certification Program and will provide recommendations on certification to the National Certification Council.

[lewens]

Originally Posted by rwand1

From CHIBO II

Individuals who are within the National Certification Program MAY or MAY NOT be members of a CAHPI Provincial Association. Provincial Association membership is not a requirement of entry into the National Certification Program.

Rationale: It is not appropriate to require individuals who are within the National Certification Program to be members of a CAHPI provincial association, because this requirement would give a provincial association the power to determine whether or not an individual should be within the National Certification Program. This power must remain with the National Certification Council.

And why does the power of certification remain at the National level?

quote:From CHIBO II

National Certification Council

In the case of the home and property occupation, the Working Committee determined that CAHPI would become the National Certification Body and create a National Certification Council.

CAN-P-9 criteria do not allow decisions on certification to be subcontracted. However, other organizations could provide the National Certification Council with recommendations as to whether specific individuals meet the background requirements of the National Certification Program.

Elements of the national certification model developed by the CHIBO Working Committee would be difficult for a National Certification Council to administer. Therefore, this model assumes that associations at the provincial level will be involved in the National Certification Program and will provide recommendations on certification to the National Certification Council.

This is a very ambiguous statement. On one hand it says that the decisions cannot be subcontracted and yet we hear that the decisions will be mde in ontario by OAHI.
What goes on here.
Larry

[George A. H. Luck]

This whole situation reminds me of Windows 2000. ( work with me here) The more often it was pointed out to MicroSoft that their OS was not working properly, the more 'patches' M.S. provided. The more patches that M.S. provided the worse the programme performed, until they were forced to come out with an entirely new programme.

Isn't this exactly what we are seeing here? Now the patches are conflicting with the patches. Can the national programme be far from "freeze-up"? Will we soon see the 'blue screen of death'?

It is time that the government became involved and responsible for this process as the current members ( " stake holders" don't you just love the current buzz word?) are daily demonstrating that they are not up to the job.

[rwand1]

I know licencing isn't the best solution, but for the sake of the industry thats the only way you are going to take the power out of a closed society and level the playing field. It is clearly shown that turf wars, misinformation, with holding information, poor dissemination of information and contrary stories that this is what has resulted. Mix in egos, special interests, regional variences, and this is the result.

Licencing could come with one immediate benefit, and that would be our opportunity to push for licencing under our vision, with the government capping our liability. It would take the governance out of the hands of home inspectors who are certainly not savvy to running an association. Lets face it we are home inspectors we are not management oriented association wise, nor can it be done any longer in a patch work approach on a volunteer bases. I think this is where Nachi exceeds, it takes the day to day decision making, and looks at it from a business point of view and advertising point of view. It is also quite evident Nachi is taking steps to improve and has improved its membership requirements in a very short period of time. Nachi is evolving and is adapting. Nachi would not become irrelevent I think if licencing was brought in. Remember regardless of the National Certification Provincial jurisdiction and licencing or whatever, will be a provincial matter. National or Federal is completely irrelevent in the legal sense as it relates to jurisdictional powers vis-a-vis federal and provincial.

[lewens]

Unfortunately the number of home inspectors in Canada do not justify the bureaucracy to sustain licensing in this country.The numbers just don't add up.
Larry

[rwand1]

Hi Larry,

British Columbia seems to think otherwise. And is proceeding with Licencing, and BC does not have the population of Ontario. Besides we know the Feds will not do it across Canada, and that it will rest with each province because in the end it is a provincial jurisdictional matter.

[lewens]

Ray
I saw this somewhere and noticed thet CAHPI is going to be administering it if the government puts it through. Me thinks that the inspectors in B.C. should be screaming, right about, now.
Larry

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by gluck

This whole situation reminds me of Windows 2000. ( work with me here) The more often it was pointed out to MicroSoft that their OS was not working properly, the more 'patches' M.S. provided. The more patches that M.S. provided the worse the programme performed, until they were forced to come out with an entirely new programme.

Isn't this exactly what we are seeing here? Now the patches are conflicting with the patches. Can the national programme be far from "freeze-up"? Will we soon see the 'blue screen of death'?

It is time that the government became involved and responsible for this process as the current members ( " stake holders" don't you just love the current buzz word?) are daily demonstrating that they are not up to the job.

George your letter is UNCANNY it is so close to the way things are..
I still have not seen where CAHPi is even vaguely thinking that the Inspectors from NACHI and those who do not belong to any association should be treated as equals .
This is so unfortunate the national Certification could be great,but the way I see it is lack of information to NACHI and others that it is almost closed to out side-rs.
From what very little info I have seen it is 94% for CAHPI and 6% left for the largest section of home inspectors .
Lack of proper treatment to members is why I and many others are no longer members of the OAHI/CAHPI group.
Sound Like they have not changed no info ,do not follow the rules ,
Just do as they please and to HE77 with the members.

The more I hear,
the more I see!
NACHI is the one for me !
Roy Cooke R.H.I. Royshomeinspection.com
A HAPPY NACHI MEMBER,... More find this out ever day!