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[Steven C. Meyer]

May not be the case in your state, legislation somewhat varies from state to state. What I do object to is this "national" push by whoever, to get licensing in every state, and by devious means. Guess I am from the old school,"if it ain't broke, don't fix it"!

There always seems to be an underlying agenda in all of the legislation I have seen, including my own state. Lived under both licensed and non licensed states, have as yet to see that licensing has done much good for the consumer, and has only hampered the licensee with more government intrusion in our lives and business. I am a firm believer in LESS government.

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

My point was that a false statement was made about
states being ranked by ASHI based on their relationship
to the ASHI test.

This is false. If you guys want creditability, check
each others facts.

I want to talk to people who have a conscience.

If you don't like the SoP enforced in your state,...
thats OK with me. I don't care.

I just don't want someone telling me all the doom
and gloom about HI laws when that is not the
case here in Texas. Everything is just fine here.

[dharris]

I want to talk to people who have a conscience.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Better re-check which site your on..

[George A. H. Luck]

Relax Steven. Some Canadians have no other way of defining their 'Canadianism' other than by saying "Well at least we're not Americans!"

Very sad.

Very juvenile.

Very typical of a liberal who is frightened of everything the United States of America stands for; independence, freedom of thought, freedom of action and freedom of consequences (most of these sad Canadians want a government there to hold their hands if things go wrong. They can't see that the same hand holding in times of trouble can be hand cuffs when daring and innovation are needed.)

We have seen all of Brian's arguments before. His name was Chamberlain and he had "peace in our time."

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by Steven C. Meyer

May not be the case in your state, legislation somewhat varies from state to state. What I do object to is this "national" push by whoever, to get licensing in every state, and by devious means. Guess I am from the old school,"if it ain't broke, don't fix it"!

There always seems to be an underlying agenda in all of the legislation I have seen, including my own state. Lived under both licensed and non licensed states, have as yet to see that licensing has done much good for the consumer, and has only hampered the licensee with more government intrusion in our lives and business. I am a firm believer in LESS government.

I understand your desire for less government. I am the kind of person
that cannot join the crowd and just repeat the chant. I have to think
for myself and the SoP has never bothered me. I just cannot understand
all the fuss about nothing.

Have a good night my friend.

[Steven C. Meyer]

Thank you for your very kind reply. I do get a little pissy when my country gets shot down. Are we perfect, NO, but we do the best we can to protect ourselves and others. I have lost family on not only our own soil, but on foreign soils to protect them, liberty and freedom around the world, so I do get a little defensive!!!

Being so close to the boarder, I do visit British Columbia, Vancouver and Victoria, Fantastic, and the people there are great. I believe we share a common boarder and have much to offer each other, in trade and culture.
And, we both have an obligation to each other to defend our countries. I have no doubt, that the USA would come to your help, if needed, I must wonder if you would come to ours?


I may not agree with your liberal style of government, but it is your choice and your government, works for you I guess, so wish your friend would not be so judgmental of my government. As dysfunctional as it seems, we have lasted for over 200 years!!!

Originally Posted by gluck

Relax Steven. Some Canadians have no other way of defining their 'Canadianism' other than by saying "Well at least we're not Americans!"

Very sad.

Very juvenile.

Very typical of a liberal who is frightened of everything the United States of America stands for; independence, freedom of thought, freedom of action and freedom of consequences (most of these sad Canadians want a government there to hold their hands if things go wrong. They can't see that the same hand holding in times of trouble can be hand cuffs when daring and innovation are needed.)

We have seen all of Brian's arguments before. His name was Chamberlain and he had "peace in our time."

[Steven C. Meyer]

And have a good nights rest!!! The SOP does not bother me in the least, at least we all know what is expected of us, and what the customer should expect with an inspection. And, if that has to be legislated, we are in deep trouble, common sense tells me that is a good guide line to work from. I count on the honesty and integrity of the individual, that lacking, no SOP is not worth the paper it's written on. It's the individual inspector who makes it or breaks it, no law will ever totally get rid of the bad apples!!

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

I understand your desire for less government. I am the kind of person
that cannot join the crowd and just repeat the chant. I have to think
for myself and the SoP has never bothered me. I just cannot understand
all the fuss about nothing.

Have a good night my friend.

[mnicholet]

Originally Posted by Steven C. Meyer

I have no doubt, that the USA would come to your help, if needed, I must wonder if you would come to ours?

Last time I checked we were at war with Taliban/Al Quaeda in southern Afghanistan.

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Of course not. It is the backbone of NACHI...our SOP and required annual CEUs.

When it becomes a "state law" instead of personal commitment, it gets dumbed down. Don't believe me? Schedule your IR Class in Arizona, where there are no annual CEUs required to keep your license. Offer the class for $50 a head.

You will not get 5 people to show up.


Cute play on words, but a discerning mind will not fall for your ploy. There are professionals who believe in better training and higher standards who fight the dumbing-down of the profession that licensing has demonstrated.

Licensing does, in no way, equate to "better training and higher standards". In many cases, it is the exact opposite.


Nope. I document every home inspection I conduct. I handle consultations differently than inspections, though.

This concept, not being allowed by the real estate commission that governs you, is out of your realm of understanding.

Again, I discourage everyone....particularly those who work within a 250 mile radius of me....from doing these.

James, having sampled many ceu's far and wide from many providers $50.00 would probably be the accumlative worth of the all the classes I have attended. Free market, perhaps you have heard of it?

What does AZ not requireing ceu's have to do with anything?
Our state, our elected govt, our frigging laws.

Peddle you tripe out east, flat lander. Or should I say Pilgrim.

[Brian E. Kelly]

And all of you iran war, taliban jackasses take it to another thread.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by mlarson

I still believe the walk and talk inspection is a viable choice for many even in many licensed states.

It doesn't cheapen the industry.

It provides a valuable service to clients.

Liability issues should be near non existant.

It provides the potential of increased revenue from a single buyer due to multiple walks before a full inspection on the home of their choice.

I think there is always room in the market place for new products that meet different needs.

I think of it as expanding the market much like adding IR has the potential to do.

Michael:

IR is an add-on service for which a higher price will be charged (I hope). The walk through is a reduced service for which less money will be charged. Which do you want to do?

Have been in this business for 24+ years either full or part time......have never done a walk-through.......period. A realtor wanted me to have a quick look at a house for him about a month ago.......said I would go look at it but wouldn't do a walk through style inspection......... 2.5 hours later I was done. He checked all windows and lights.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by Steven C. Meyer

James

Are you saying the ITA/Kaplin are in the back pockets of ASHI? I keep getting posts from both, touting their CE and other courses?.
Are they independent of organizations, or being promoted by them for a "piece of the action"?

Visit their websites and Googel the names of the managers & instructors... You will soon get your answer.


One of our State Chapter members went to the two week ITA school in Connecticut.

According to him .... The first week was great and he received a lot of smiles and interaction from the instructors. The when they started bashing NACHI he spoke up and told them that he was a member of NACHI.


After that he was "persona non Grata" and was virtually shunned!

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

IR is an add-on service for which a higher price will be charged (I hope). The walk through is a reduced service for which less money will be charged. Which do you want to do?

Brian,

If several walk throughs are done in addition to a full inspection on the home they chose, that adds up to more money.

The important thing to remember is that setting the customer's expectations is the key to making this service work for everyone.

Few people view a property only once and then make an offer.

They narrow it down to several and revisit those properties. This service can assist them in narrowing the list further and having the house they decide on fully inspected after they make an offer to purchase.
Simple concept.

Hope this helps as the man in the orange shirt says.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by Steven C. Meyer

May not be the case in your state, legislation somewhat varies from state to state. What I do object to is this "national" push by whoever, to get licensing in every state, and by devious means. Guess I am from the old school,"if it ain't broke, don't fix it"!


There always seems to be an underlying agenda in all of the legislation I have seen, including my own state. Lived under both licensed and non licensed states, have as yet to see that licensing has done much good for the consumer, and has only hampered the licensee with more government intrusion in our lives and business. I am a firm believer in LESS government.

Where do you want to cut gov't jobs......Let me see......soon there will be serious issues about human cloning......no need to regulate that though.....it'll take care of itself.

What about the rich buying organs from the poor of the country.....Hey that'll help the poor....... and they usually have lots of kids for an unending supply.....no regulation needed for that.....it's a moral issue; takes care of itself. That's why we go to southeast Asia to buy organs now!!

Then there are issues of solar access.......you put solar panels on your south facing roof and someone blocks the sun with a taller building or by letting a tree grow to block the sun......

There are towns/cities with smoke problems from wood heating as people try to save on heating costs. They've had to enact regulations to curb high particulate levels in the air from poorly burnt wood. Some places actually control the type of wood stove you can buy and force you to get rid of older stoves.

Sorry, as it gets to be a more complicated country, there will be more gov't not less......them's just the facts!!

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

J
What does AZ not requireing ceu's have to do with anything?

It is a prime example as to how licensing has dumbed down the profession.

Vendors of education seminars all over the country know not to attempt schedule anything in your state due to the fact that they cannot find anyone interested in paying a fee for training since your state issues licenses without it.

I am certain that there are exceptions to this, but I am speaking of a statewide attitude.

[klott]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

Don't think we pi$$ed off a lot of the world!!! But since we live next to you and look like you and speak English like you, we might be in some danger.....I don't think Mexico has this problem.........Haven't heard of Mexicans worrying about far eastern terrorists!!

The Mexicans have got it made don't they, no terrorist and no liberal Canadians next door! Kinda makes you wonder why they give up all of that just for money! Brian, I don't think Canada will ever have to put up a fence to keep people out, in maybe, but not out. BTW, I doubt if anyone could ever mistake you for being American. Thank God! P.S. I don't recall ever hearing about any Mexicans, swimming across the Niagra river!