Your livelihood due to membership association in jeoprady in Ontario

[rwand1]

Brian

All good points, but waivers are a neccesity. The E&O providers want it and lawyers will tell you to have one. Both the lawyer and the E&O providers will want a limit of liability clause in your contract.

The contract does not limit anyone for suing for negligence.

The other item of contention with the article is the item about liability insurance. Not all members are insured and are required to disclose such to their clients if you are a member of CAHPI-OAHI. However seeing as this is not enforced many CAHPI-OAHI are practicing without insurance. So this article is not entirely true.

[William R. DeVries, CMHI]

" A major hope is that all of the unaligned inspectors in Ontario will pursue the NCH certification at a minimum, and continue to Ontario's RHI level"

With this statement from the reco does this mean that the NCH has less stringiant(sp) application process or educational admission requirement. I was hoping that NCH was equal to or better than OAHI. Stating that NACHI needs to submitt to NCH may be redundant when OAHI claims to be the better of the two. Does this mean that NACHI may need to submit to OAHI instead to get us on a level playing field of acceptance to cross join associations.
NOW please do not jump all over me, but being Canadian I truly feel we need a Canadian Version of NACHI here, be it NACHI, InterNACHI or a CANACHI, which ever but it must be accepted by the governing bodys CMHC and CAHPI as these are the potential spokesperson to the public at large.

please correct me if I am wrong and show me the path one needs to potentially be aligned with legisation/licensing in Ontario

[Claude Lawrenson]

BTW: I am not here to convert you or anyone else.

You asked reasonable questions and I will try to offer reasonable responses.

What is interesting is the RHI is actually in some areas more stringent and less stringent in others - so it depends on which region. As a general example all of those regional associations have indicated they will be including a TIPR - test inspection with peer review. So there are changes expected in the RHI designation.

Virtually every province will be conducting TIPR's. I noted in another part of the forum another 135 TIPR's are planned over the next few months, with more to follow. In addition we are seeing the number of u/a (unaffiliated applications) increase - which signifies that the price reduction offered has also increased interest in the program.

The continuing education requirements are higher, and everyone (that is national certificate holder) is re-tested in 5 years to assure that competency is maintained. It does not guarantee it - but it is another resonable benchmarked built into the national program to assure current relevancy.

Basically the independent management consultant's equivalency review and report indicates the RHI meets the background review portion of the national certificate holder program. In order to become a national certificate holder the inspector must also successfully complete the TIPR.

Billy noted "A major hope is that all of the unaligned inspectors in Ontario will pursue the NCH certification at a minimum, and continue to Ontario's RHI level" So certainly all would be really nice, and we starting to see movement happen in that direction.

[Nick Gromicko]

Over the past decade we from time to time (mostly in the past) get one of these "The sky is falling" threads started. In each case when we try to track down the agent who threw NACHI brochures away, we always find out it was nonsense and didn't happen. You reveal the agent to me and our Canadian attorneys will take her home and turn it into a NACHI hands-on training facility.

George has offered to author the equal time article for NACHI and I will edit it. If you have any points you want, get them to me before we send it off to RECO to publish. BTW: We're in the U.S.'s 4th largest newspaper today with an online readership in the millions: http://www.nachi.org/latimessellingtactic.htm

[rwand1]

William,

What Claude says is correct regarding "RHI is actually in some areas more stringent and less stringent in others .." OAHI has PR 158, this grants quite a bit of power to OAHI. Personally speaking I think and others may agree that OAHI has pretty high entry requirements many of which the National doesn't require and vice versa. Personally speaking if OAHI were managed correctly it would be a great licencing benchmark. However until such time as licencing comes there is really no point in creating another self regulating association, on the National level, given the fact that Provincial legislation trumps Federal legislation. The only other province with similar legislation is BC which has a designation under ASTTBC created by provincial act.

[rwand1]

Nick and George,

Please feel free to use items in Post 14 above in your retort.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Just to set the record straight.
Some Directors of CAHPI/OAHI and the National Certification try to say I am against them.
This is far from the truth .
What I am against is these directors do not follow their own rules and do there best to destroy NACHi and insult NACHI and its members .
NACHI and its members do more for the Home inspectors ( in my openion) then all other associations put together.
NACHI allows CAHPI/OAHI come into our home to spared their propaganda, and get upset when they are shown how closed mind they are.
They completely ignored NACHI at the Toronto Conference. NACHI has in all cases been more then fair allowing them complete use of our BB and giving free memberships to some.
When they have needed Posts made and information given out I did this many times for them .
Please do not think I am against the OAHI or CAHPI membership , not in the least they have many great inspectors and have helped me many times over the years.
Some of the Directors have spread and continue to spread false information and do their best to try and destroy NACHI and this is far from fair.


......... Cookie

[rwand1]

Hey Roy I saw this poster and thought of you.
Hope you get a bang out of it!

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Hey Roy I saw this poster and thought of you.
Hope you get a bang out of it!

My kind of people .
My son bought me the arm service flag and Now I am putting up a flag pole to honour our soldiers.
I have one Son in law now in the service 29 years one son and one son inlaw retired all over 20 years .
I also have two grad children in the service.
This is service town and Am doing an inspection tomorrow for a armed service person .
I will work any Sunday for these people and do frequently.
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........... Cookie

[rwand1]

God bless our troops!

[Vern Mitchinson]

Originally Posted by rwand1

William,

The only other province with similar legislation is BC which has a designation under ASTTBC created by provincial act.

ASTTBC is the association for Technology Professionals in British Columbia. Registration with ASTTBC is now considered a critical element in the career of technologists, technicians and technical specialists. Business, industry and government recognize our credentials as key indicators of competence and quality.
The Applied Science Technologists & Technicians of British Columbia has a mandate under provincial legislation to... maintain, improve and increase the knowledge, ability, and competence of members of the Association; regulate standards of training and practice of and for its members, and to protect the interests of the public; and to establish and maintain standards of ethics among members.
By setting and maintaining standards of excellence, we foster a culture of professionalism that benefits registrants, employers and their clients, and the public.

In Alberta it is The Applied Science Technologists & Technicians of Alberta.
Hence A.Sc.T. = Applied Science Technologist.
Three years full time education at an accredited technical collage
Two years internship under a professional engineer, architect etc.
Pass a supervised exam on Workers compensation and ASTTC ethics
It out ranks any RHI HI CMI etc.
The code of ethics for the professional engineers and technologists is going to be the same and wiil mandated by legislation in the next session of Alberta Ledg.

[rwand1]

Vern

Does The Applied Science Technologists & Technicians of Alberta have a sub class designation for home inspectors like ASTTBC?

Cheers,

[Claude Lawrenson]

In Ontario there is a reciprocal agreement between OAHI and OACETT for membership. Interesting to connect the dots.

[rwand1]

Claude

Yes anyone in OAHI can apply for Associate Member status in OACETT, without any formal entry requirements being needed. From there you can apply to one of the disciplines they cover, but I don't think they have a designation of home inspector, or maybe they do or will.

[rwand1]

http://www.oacett.org/page.asp?P_ID=98