That which is visible is mold

[James E. Braun, CMI]

Originally Posted by bgromicko

The State of NY

Also most of the major mold testing organizations says similiar.

[Dennis R. Goudreau]

Originally Posted by bgromicko

As molds grow, some (but not all) of them may produce potentially toxic byproducts called mycotoxins under some conditions. Some of these molds are commonly found in moisture-damaged buildings. More than 200 mycotoxins from common molds have been identified. In cases in which a particularly toxic mold species has been identified or is suspected, a more cautious or conservative approach to remediation is indicated.

some of these type are a certain species of Fusarium = penicillum & aspergillus,Stachybotrys chartarum, or Stachybotrys atra,and lets not forget aspergillus versicolor which can produce mycotoxins, and then of course there are the allergenic & pathogenic type as well

[dbucknavich]

Originally Posted by jbraun

The people who really know there stuff is in the field all the time, not in the lab only. Some can analyze their own samples like my Industrial Hygienist and most of my teachers. Just sitting in a lab and looking at mold through a microscope does not qualify a person to be a mold expert. That is why I will not use a big lab to analyze mold samples because you just end up talking to a lab technician. Talk to the people who are in the trenches every day, you will get a different response than the EPA. And they will not contradict their selves like the EPA.

Im just curious about the big lab comment. I use one of the largest labs in the country. They do a 100% trace read, then anonymously send each others results to two different technicians for double checking. After that, the result go to an investigator who is a Council-certified Indoor Air Quality Manager,a Council-certified Indoor Environmentalist, and a Council-certified Residential Mold Inspector. He then compares the lab results to my report, and from there gives a recommendation to remediate, or not to remediate. They also have a no minimum sample need for the free shipping, meaning I can send 2 swabs or 10 samples for free. On top of that, they can provide me with all supplies and services I need. I find their size helps them to achieve all this. And they are a 20 minute drive from my house.

I would not discredit a lab for being big. Just do some research and comparison and make sure they are working for you and not themselves like some labs we are told about frequently. Wink wink.

[James E. Braun, CMI]

How much are they charging you for a 100% read. The best I have found is 28%. Most big labs are just 12%. If you can PM me the name I might start sending them some work.

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by jbraun

Go to a local mold victim support group and tell them. You will come out with a different answer.

I can only visit one bs support group at a time. http://www.abduct.com/

[Christopher Currins]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

I can only visit one bs support group at a time. http://www.abduct.com/

Some new on-line classes?


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Becoming Aware as the Truth Unfolds

Global Implications of the UFO Reality
How will mankind react when aliens visiting
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[James E. Braun, CMI]

May the aliens who die from mold come back and haunt you .

[Ben J. Gromicko]

Originally Posted by dbucknavich

They do a 100% trace read

I've come to understand that a lab only needs to look at a very small portion of the sample media. The lab tech will actually cut into about 1/4 to 1/10 of the agar media and check out only that portion of the sample.

[James E. Braun, CMI]

That is what I have been told too by several labs. I have been told at least one quarter of the slide needs to be read to hold up in court. But I have not researched it myself.
I do know of a case that was thrown out of court because not enough testing was done. The ruling said that 4-5 samples needed to be pulled. So I guess we need to pull at least four samples if something is heading to court?
Any legal eagles out there know the answer?

[dbucknavich]

Originally Posted by bgromicko

I've come to understand that a lab only needs to look at a very small portion of the sample media. The lab tech will actually cut into about 1/4 to 1/10 of the agar media and check out only that portion of the sample.

That would be minimum standards, just like building code. If you're happy with that and your lab wants to brag about doing things that way, that's their problem. It's just when a builder proudly states "This house is built to code".

Some of us aren't handcuffed by a lab that specializes in marketing and treats the analytical portion of their services as secondary.

And excatly how did you come to understand this and why would you not promote more thorought analytical procedures?

[Ben J. Gromicko]

Originally Posted by dbucknavich

That state of Minnesota? Isn't that a little vague? Who in the state of Minnesota?

Minnesota Department of Health, Environmental Health Division, Indoor air Unit, PO Box 64975, St. Paul, MN 55164-0975, Nov 2001.

[Ben J. Gromicko]

Originally Posted by dbucknavich

No training? Maybe some is in order

And here it is....http://www.nachi.org/moldcourse.htm

[dbucknavich]

Originally Posted by bgromicko

And here it is....http://www.nachi.org/moldcourse.htm

Ask and you shall receive. I think one million dollars is in order too.

[Dennis R. Goudreau]

Originally Posted by bgromicko

And here it is....http://www.nachi.org/moldcourse.htm

it is a good course

[Ben J. Gromicko]

Originally Posted by dgoudreau

it is a good course

Thanks!
And the best is yet to come....Hee Hee