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Can anyone give me a code section about a rear commercial door requirements.
This looks like a res. door (poorly installed is the least of it). Just needing backup for a problem call out. thanks.
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2006 (and later) IBC Chapter 10, Means of Egress (assuming that this code is in effect in the jurisdiction where you are inspecting). There are hundreds of variables and considerations.
James H. Bushart Professional Building Analyst, BPI Missouri, Kansas and Arkansas 314-803-2167 Last edited by jbushart; 12/5/11 at 4:04 PM.. |
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A lot depends upon the Group classification of the property but the 1st thing I see is the doors appear to swing inward. IBC 1008.1.2 says doors must swing in the direction of egress travel. IBC 1714.5.2 says the doors must meet ASTM E 330 as well. Are those labeled as such? Check with the AHJ to make sure the IBC is adopted there.
Last edited by mboyett; 12/5/11 at 4:05 PM.. |
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Thanks guys - you are right, it is a residential door, it opens in, was installed fu**d up - with a 2by4 as a locking crossbar, so sign and no exit sign over it. As you can guess, the store owner installed it and he was a builder. Imagine that!
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You can't have a bolt latch at the top either. Only one hand movement is allowed to unlatch a door.
“The things that will destroy America are peace at any price, prosperity at any cost, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.” Theodore Roosevelt Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com |
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My understanding is that is required "During business hours" only, thus the signs you see above doors... "Must be unlocked during business hours". A business is allowed to secure their doors as they see fit when not occupied. So, if it has the latch, it must have the sign/notice posted.
Jeffrey R. Jonas Critical Eye Property Inspections JRJ Consultants Owatonna, Minnesota Chapter President InterNachi Awards Portal: http://co.nachi.org/inachiawards/
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Yes you can. See 2006 IBC 1008.1.8.4. Where a pair of doors serves a storage or equipment room, manually operated edge or surface mounted bolts are permitted on the inactive leaf. James H. Bushart Professional Building Analyst, BPI Missouri, Kansas and Arkansas 314-803-2167 |
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I took the OP to mean this was a rear egress door.
“The things that will destroy America are peace at any price, prosperity at any cost, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.” Theodore Roosevelt Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com |
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As long as it is exiting a storage or equipment room to the outside (which it appears to be) the lock is fine the way it is.
James H. Bushart Professional Building Analyst, BPI Missouri, Kansas and Arkansas 314-803-2167 Last edited by jbushart; 12/6/11 at 10:14 AM.. |
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1008.1.9 Door operations. Except as specifically permitted by
this section egress doors shall be readily openable from the egress side without the use of a key or special knowledge or effort. 1008.1.9.1 Hardware. Door handles, pulls, latches, locks and other operating devices on doors required to be accessible by Chapter 11 shall not require tight grasping, tight pinching or twisting of the wrist to operate. 1008.1.9.3 Locks and latches. Locks and latches shall be permitted to prevent operation of doors where any of the following exists: 1. Places of detention or restraint. 3. Where egress doors are used in pairs, approved automatic2.1. The locking device is readily distinguishable as flush bolts shall be permitted to be used, provided that the door leaf having the automatic flush bolts has no doorknob or surface-mounted hardware. 4. Doors from individual dwelling or sleeping units of Group R occupancies having an occupant load of 10 or less are permitted to be equipped with a night latch, dead bolt or security chain, provided such devices are openable from the inside without the use of a key or tool. 5. Fire doors after the minimum elevated temperature has disabled the unlatching mechanism in accordance with listed fire door test procedures. 1008.1.9.4 Bolt locks. Manually operated flush bolts or surface bolts are not permitted. Exceptions: “The things that will destroy America are peace at any price, prosperity at any cost, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.” Theodore Roosevelt Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com Last edited by jfunderburk; 12/6/11 at 12:08 PM.. |
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I know. That is the provision I was reading from.
This door lock appears to be okay as it is (see Exception 2 which you did not highlight). James H. Bushart Professional Building Analyst, BPI Missouri, Kansas and Arkansas 314-803-2167 |
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I guess Greg needs to clarify. I don't see where you get the idea that the door is to a storage or equipment room. The title of the post is "Rear exist door on retail space". You are absolutely correct if it's a storage or equipment room, but I took Greg to mean it's the rear "exit" door.
“The things that will destroy America are peace at any price, prosperity at any cost, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.” Theodore Roosevelt Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com Last edited by jfunderburk; 12/6/11 at 2:15 PM.. |
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Quote:
That's what I said in Post #2 ... and why I corrected your blanket statement regarding manual bolt latches. James H. Bushart Professional Building Analyst, BPI Missouri, Kansas and Arkansas 314-803-2167 |
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Quote:
"1008.1.2 Door swing Doors shall swing in the direction of egress travel where serving an occupant load of 50 or more persons or a Group H [medical facility] occupancy." Keep in mind that the IBC applies to new construction. Unless there is a change of occupancy type, there is no requirement to bring a building up to today's standards. “The things that will destroy America are peace at any price, prosperity at any cost, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.” Theodore Roosevelt Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com |
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Got it.
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