CMI imposter?

[Joe Farsetta]

Richard,

As to the mold and bleach issue, my postings and information comes from Purdue University, various state guidelines, the EPA, OSHA, the CDC, and other medical publications.

The question went to whether or not bleach kills mold. It does. Others stated that it was not recommended by the EPA and OSHA. I disproved both claims.

I did not offer up private firms in the business. For years, folks used bleach, soap, and water to kill mold and mildew on many surfaces. It worked then, and it works now.

Might there be some better products out there? Absolutely. I am not saying that bleach is best. I am only stating that it does, indeed, kill mold. In fact, it renders dead spores less allergenic than some other products out there. This is proven medical fact, discovered through research, back in 2005.

Pulmonogists, allergists, and immunologists all agree that in cases of severe mold, where immunocomprimised individuals are exposed, mold can be deadly. Ironically, it is in these specific circumstances that the CDC and EPA concur that the use of biocides, such as and including bleach, is appropriate.

I get pissed off whenever I hear that bleach does not work to kill mold. This is hype, and is not supported by fact. As I stated, there may be better products out there, but remember that the EPA does not recommend ANY biocide for routine removal of mold and mildew. In cases where it is warranted, bleach works as well as anything else. In fact, when it is combined with some detergents, it works even better.

[David P. Valley]

BLEACH DOES NOT KILL MOLD, all the time.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by dvalley

BLEACH DOES NOT KILL MOLD, all the time.

David, Most of the Certified Mold Inspectors on that site are selling products so they would appear to have a vested interest in tellihng everyone that bleach is ineffective. See for yourself. Typical Store Link

[James H. Bushart]

Bleach does not kill mold.

Licensing solves everything.

The check is in the mail.

I will still respect you in the morning.

...and, if you actually believe such things, you had better get the mouthwash ready.

[James E. Braun, CMI]

I get phone calls all the time where somebody is trying to get rid of mold with bleach with no success (I admitt though that is not the only long line of mistakes they are making). I tell them to use soap and water first then use a disinfectant like Lysol. I have not ever heard of a real Industrial Hygienist who is mold certified recommending bleach for mold remediation. If you even mention bleach to them, their heads will shack and you will get a lecture. Paper material like drywall, and cloth material like carpet needs to be removed at least one foot of the infected area. If the material is wood it needs to be scrubbed down with soap and water, then let wood completely dry. Apply a good sealer over the wood like the primer used to paint over ceramic tile (No Kilz). Of course most of the time I recommended a protocol be written. Bleach has no place in mold remediation. It may kill the mold some of the time but why gamble with somebody's life. How lucky do you feel?

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbraun

................Bleach has no place in mold remediation.............

Please forward all mold remediation questions to James as he seems to have it all figured out.

P.S. Pleae post evidence of your degree in Mycology.

[James E. Braun, CMI]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Bleach does not kill mold.

Licensing solves everything.

The check is in the mail.

I will still respect you in the morning.

...and, if you actually believe such things, you had better get the mouthwash ready.

He's Baacckkk

[James E. Braun, CMI]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Please forward all mold remediation questions to James as he seems to have it all figured out.

P.S. Pleae post evidence of your degree in Mycology.

How many mold remediation protocols have you help write?

Just prove me wrong? This subject I know and I know well because I do a lot of it. Only 61% of my inspection business is home inspections.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbraun

How many mold remediation protocols have you help write?

Just prove me wrong? This subjects I know and I know well because I do a lot of it. Only 61% of my inspection business is home inspections.

Do you sell mold remediation products James?

Have you read the links in this thread that don't support your contention?

[James E. Braun, CMI]

No, I do not sell. Did you read my post? All products can to bought at your local hardware store.
I have not found one government agencies that admits that mold is a real problem. Like most government agencies, they are slow and behind in their times. I guess they are tired of spending a lot of money on radon and lead remediation. They do not want to start something with mold. Mold remediation is changing. Heck, they use to use power washers to cleanup mold in the earlier days. I have had two separate family members getting deathly ill from mold. My mom is still on oxygen, most of the time. She will be that way for the rest of her life. If you ever get down to Missouri I can introduce you to families that had their lives destroyed my mold.
I haved learned to only listen to educated people who are out in the field dealing with mold on a daily bases. I will not listen to any government agency that does not see mold as a problem. Most government officials do not care about the publics' health. They just want to keep their cushy government jobs. If you do not create waves, you get to keep your job.
This message board works about the same way.

[James H. Bushart]

I agree with Mr. Braun that the government is a poor source to go to when determining the level of concern and treatment for mold. I recall the government films we were shown in grades school in the fifties and early sixties that showed us what to do in order to survive a nuclear attack at ground zero.

[Michael Larson]

James,

I understand your passion on the issue of mold but you shouldn't be so quick to condemn all government issued information or academic research on the issue.
Mold has been around since time began and it is difficult to believe that in has "suddenly" become a huge problem. Sure there are people with sensitivities to mold just as their are those with sensitivity to peanuts. That doesn't mean that everyone should be concerned with mold as a significant health issue.
As has been stated over and over, the real issue is always dealing with the moisture intrusion and not the mold itself. Mold remediation is a secondary though sometimes necessary issue. Just my two cents worth.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

I agree with Mr. Braun that the government is a poor source to go to when determining the level of concern and treatment for mold. I recall the government films we were shown in grades school in the fifties and early sixties that showed us what to do in order to survive a nuclear attack at ground zero.

That was a bit silly wasn't it James Bushart?

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

That was a bit silly wasn't it James Bushart?

uh huh.

I trust our government and its understanding of the things that are dangerous to me.

[Michael Larson]

It was a different time indeed. At least back then we as a nation considered a nuclear confromtation a real possibility.
Now we just pretend it can't happen or at least we live as if that were true.