Dilema

[Nick Gromicko]

Brian, you are just upset because CMI in Canada is as successful as it is in the states, when every CMI critic predicted it wouldn't be.

Some British Columbia-based group was going around threatening inspectors who called themselves certified because they said they controlled some trademark, bla, bla, bla, and they threatened to sue us if we brought CMI to Canada. We laughed in their face and did it anyway. The other group shut up.

Then another Canadian inspection group swore the Canadian government would never award us the Certified Master Inspector Trademark. After several years, we were awarded the mark. That group shut up.

Then CAHPI figured they would do something to compete with it and started this NCP thing. They told me my prediction that it would all flop was ridiculous. Well their program flopped, they canceled it, and they kept everyone's money, just as I predicted. CAHPI shut up.

Then there was the bunch that said we wouldn't ever demand formal documentation of 3-years in business as part of CMI's requirements. Well, we now save all that evidence on file with each application. That bunch shut up.

Then there was the bunch that said that we were just trying to trick everyone into applying for the CMI designation by threatening to raise the application fee to $1,000 and that we'd never do it. Well, they were wrong and we raised it the fee to $1,000. That bunch shut up.

Then there was the bunch that accused it of being a money-making operation for John and I. They make this accusation every year, until of course our CPA publicly publishes our annual 990 IRS form. Then they shut up.

Then there is the bunch that claimed it is impossible to take this professional designation around the world to other countries. But we now have CMIs across the globe and Certified Master Inspector has become the planet earth's first worldwide professional designation. That bunch has shut up.

Then there is the bunch that claims it is financially impossible to operate, year after year, without selling out to advertisers or ever charging annual dues. But we just go right on operating, year after year, without selling out to advertisers or charging annual dues. That bunch has shut up.

Brian, I think you should take a hint and join CMI's other critics.

CERTIFIED MASTER INSPECTOR .... three little words say it all.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by rhensel

Seriously? Thats the answer, to legally defend itself? Defend itself from what? What possibly could they need legal action for? Going after people who use CMI? There are a ton of them and you have done nothing. I thought CMI was on the up and up...what could it have to defend itself from?

CMI has defended the use of it's trademark in the home inspection industry many times. We just did not tell you about it.

I am not being argumentative, I am wondering what situation could come up that you used to need a $100,000 defense. Maybe its just me, but I always thought dues were used to improve the organization and its members. Not to bank in case we need it.

I used one example, but the funds will be used for many purposes.

So lets say there are 400 CMI's at about $389 a pop...that comes out to about $155K. You have some administration fees, back ground check money...So I see where you can save that kind of money.

But what could possibly come up to defend itself? Someone else come up with "CMI"? The state of Nevada did, are we going to court on that?

Perhaps we should operate on zero, so you will be happy?
What amount would you use if you were the boss?

So I understand John that 100K is not alot of money. But do you save about 3/4 of your income in your home inspection business, IN CASE you get sued? I mean YOU have a ton more exposure in getting sued then an organization that does NOTHING but hand out (to qualified people) a designation.

If it is not a lot of money, why act like it is?

Your case is weak at best. But then again we seldom see eye to eye and thats what makes the world go around and around...

But it seems rather silly to spend a little to get more members to bank the money in case you get sued.

Defending a federal trademark would make $100K look
like pennies.

Can you please send me to another organization outside of NACHI that has 3/4 of its income set aside for legal puposes? ANY..........

The money is for more than that. I used one example that
I thought you could understand.

Is it hurting you? What damage have you suffered?

[Russell J. Hensel]

Originally Posted by rhensel
Seriously? Thats the answer, to legally defend itself? Defend itself from what? What possibly could they need legal action for? Going after people who use CMI? There are a ton of them and you have done nothing. I thought CMI was on the up and up...what could it have to defend itself from?

CMI has defended the use of it's trademark in the home inspection industry many times. We just did not tell you about it.

OK, so you have defended it several times. You state later in this post, that it would take thousand and thousands to defend and contradict yourself here? If you have done it several times and its has taken very little off the top, why the bank roll? RJH

I am not being argumentative, I am wondering what situation could come up that you used to need a $100,000 defense. Maybe its just me, but I always thought dues were used to improve the organization and its members. Not to bank in case we need it.

I used one example, but the funds will be used for many purposes.

Such as? It has been about 2 years since I have been a member...haven't seen any use yet? Let me guess, its gonna happen soon! RJH


So lets say there are 400 CMI's at about $389 a pop...that comes out to about $155K. You have some administration fees, back ground check money...So I see where you can save that kind of money.

But what could possibly come up to defend itself? Someone else come up with "CMI"? The state of Nevada did, are we going to court on that?

Perhaps we should operate on zero, so you will be happy?
What amount would you use if you were the boss?

I am not the boss so it matters not. I am smart enough to know that money in the bank does nothing but make banks money. That comes straight from your leader too! So leaving 100K in an account helps CMI how? Since YOU ARE the boss, how does that help ME THE CMI? Who said operate on zero? So as the leader you see it as save every penny or spend every penny? Kinda weird...RJH


So I understand John that 100K is not alot of money. But do you save about 3/4 of your income in your home inspection business, IN CASE you get sued? I mean YOU have a ton more exposure in getting sued then an organization that does NOTHING but hand out (to qualified people) a designation.

If it is not a lot of money, why act like it is?

See above comment. It doesn't matter if its ALOT, money istting in the bank is a waste! RJH

Your case is weak at best. But then again we seldom see eye to eye and thats what makes the world go around and around...

But it seems rather silly to spend a little to get more members to bank the money in case you get sued.

Defending a federal trademark would make $100K look
like pennies.

Read comment one, you stated you defended it several times and apparently it hasn't cost us much at all. So what is it? Expensive or not? RJH

Can you please send me to another organization outside of NACHI that has 3/4 of its income set aside for legal puposes? ANY..........

The money is for more than that. I used one example that
I thought you could understand.

What is "for more than that?" So you give me one example contradict it yourself and then say its for something else, that no one knows about but you? I understand many things. So are you saying its going to be used for something in the future, but the members don't need to know. Sweet! Thanks...Been waiting for 2 years for something to happen with CMI and the one thing it promotes is itself...rjh

[Nick Gromicko]

Been waiting for 2 years for something to happen with CMI

Two? We've been working on it for ten! Russell, if you are waiting for something to happen with CMI, you are going to be waiting a long time. CMI is done. All the years of work have been completed.

We set out to create the inspection industry's highest professional designation, one with an administration that would be sustainable financially, one that was meaningful yet attainable, and one with a great professional title: Certified Master Inspector.

We did it.

The end.

CMI is not a trade association, so don't wait for stuff like this: http://www.nachi.org/whats_new.htm

CMI was but one project... one I view as fully completed.

[Russell J. Hensel]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Two? We've been working on it for ten! Russell, if you are waiting for something to happen with CMI, you are going to be waiting a long time. CMI is done. All the years of work have been completed.

We set out to create the inspection industry's highest professional designation, one with an administration that would be sustainable financially, one that was meaningful yet attainable, and one with a great professional title: Certified Master Inspector.

We did it.

The end.

CMI is not a trade association, so don't wait for stuff like this: http://www.nachi.org/whats_new.htm

CMI was but one project... one I view as fully completed.

Sweet at last an honest answer, your going to do nothing with the $100K. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

I am satisfied with my CMI and the association.
Most CMIs are very satisfied with their association .
It seems to be those who are not a CMI who make most of the complaints .
I see a bunch of jealous complainers who are on the out side .
I do not understand why you ( the out siders ) are so upset to see me and others so completely satisfied .
Most have made their choices so why not just live with them or Join, Too simple ..

[Russell J. Hensel]

Originally Posted by rcooke

I am satisfied with my CMI and the association.
Most CMIs are very satisfied with their association .
It seems to be those who are not a CMI who make most of the complaints .
I see a bunch of jealous complainers who are on the out side .
I do not understand why you ( the out siders ) are so upset to see me and others so completely satisfied .
Most have made their choices so why not just live with them or Join, Too simple ..

Me? I am and have been a CMI...so your point is?

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by rhensel

Me? I am and have been a CMI...so your point is?

We have many who complain about CMIs .

I do not see where it was directed at you .

example look at 48,49 and 50

[Russell J. Hensel]

Roy your instramental in CMI. Why don't we at least listen to others? MANY here think CMI is just BS.

Remember I am a CMI. But why do we not listen to those people with open minds? Do you think Jeffery Jonas could not enhance the orgnanization? He is not "for" it, why not?

According to Nick the $100K is the in the vault for NOTHING...except to...well say we have it. So how can we promote CMI? By saying I am one? If more exceptional people got the designation we can promote it. But then again, this is a mute point. But I will tell you that all good things must come to an end sooner or later and those at the top without seeking growth and improvement on a continually basis, will go to the wayside. I see this happening with CMI....one day it will just be three letters with $200K in the bank....

Trust me on this.....want to bet Nick? That one day there will be an organization that will listen to the people, increase the requirements and PROMOTE it to the public and CMI will just be another acronym no one knows about...good thig is you and John will have a ton of stickers.

I cannot believe that Nick says its "done". So if there is nothing more, than why become one? I guess only time will tell...

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

I have promoted NACHI & the CMI from the get go and have never varied.
Those who where to cheap complained and are still complaining .
Why should I continue encourage them .
They all know more then we do .
They ridicule and complain about NACHI,CMI and the weather .
I and others have said how great NACHI & CMI is .
I am pleased with what I do and have done for others to complain I am sorry for them.
And they can continue to do their thing .
I see little advantage in trying to convert them .

I get extrely nervious when people say to me you can trust me
It has never worked out

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by rhensel
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OK, so you have defended it several times. You state later in this post, that it would take thousand and thousands to defend and contradict yourself here? If you have done it several times and its has taken very little off the top, why the bank roll? RJH[/I]

There are various levels of defense. Some minor and some major.




Such as? It has been about 2 years since I have been a member...haven't seen any use yet? Let me guess, its gonna happen soon! RJH


See post #64


I am not the boss so it matters not. I am smart enough to know that money in the bank does nothing but make banks money. That comes straight from your leader too! So leaving 100K in an account helps CMI how? Since YOU ARE the boss, how does that help ME THE CMI? Who said operate on zero? So as the leader you see it as save every penny or spend every penny? Kinda weird...RJH


So we should check with you on how we should spend money?


See above comment. It doesn't matter if its ALOT, money istting in the bank is a waste! RJH


You said it is not much money, so why does it bother you?
It is none of your business.


Read comment one, you stated you defended it several times and apparently it hasn't cost us much at all. So what is it? Expensive or not? RJH


There are various levels of defense. Some minor and some major.


What is "for more than that?" So you give me one example contradict it yourself and then say its for something else, that no one knows about but you? I understand many things. So are you saying its going to be used for something in the future, but the members don't need to know. Sweet! Thanks...Been waiting for 2 years for something to happen with CMI and the one thing it promotes is itself...rjh

See post #64

Have a nice day....

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by rcooke

I get extrely nervious when people say to me you can trust me
It has never worked out

I agree. I see nothing to trust in whats his name.

Nick has a track record with CMI, so I can trust that.

[Russell J. Hensel]

LMAO.......John John John.........I thought I may be allowed to know what is going on well because I am a CMI. Your just proving all the ney sayers right...

Why not listen to those who disagree? Why not think MAYBE he is right?

I still love the saying "Its none of your business" to me that equals I have no valid answer. Keep up the good work John!

What track record is that with CMI?...He has grown the bank account to $100K in 10 years? OMG........NO WAY! Thats $10 a year! And he promotes us to........well.......to........well no one really, just other inspectors. Congrats. I am starting to think CMI sucks...but its better to bash when you ARE one rather than when your NOT one...

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by rhensel

I am starting to think CMI sucks...but its better to bash when you ARE one rather than when your NOT one...

If you are disapointed in the CMI that is your choice .
When I am not pleased I move on .
("Better to bash") I find that strange why you would be a CMI and then feed the jealous ones .
Different strokes for different folks .
Some thinks I disagree with at NACHI but I still never bash NACHI.
Seen how great many of the other associations are and there is no comparison .

[Jeffrey R. Jonas]

Originally Posted by rhensel

Roy your instramental in CMI. Why don't we at least listen to others? MANY here think CMI is just BS.

Remember I am a CMI. But why do we not listen to those people with open minds? Do you think Jeffery Jonas could not enhance the orgnanization? He is not "for" it, why not?

According to Nick the $100K is the in the vault for NOTHING...except to...well say we have it. So how can we promote CMI? By saying I am one? If more exceptional people got the designation we can promote it. But then again, this is a mute point. But I will tell you that all good things must come to an end sooner or later and those at the top without seeking growth and improvement on a continually basis, will go to the wayside. I see this happening with CMI....one day it will just be three letters with $200K in the bank....

Trust me on this.....want to bet Nick? That one day there will be an organization that will listen to the people, increase the requirements and PROMOTE it to the public and CMI will just be another acronym no one knows about...good thig is you and John will have a ton of stickers.

I cannot believe that Nick says its "done". So if there is nothing more, than why become one? I guess only time will tell...

Russell,
I wasn't going to jump in this level of discussion as I am not, and most likely never will be a CMI, but I'm curious, and you did mention my name, so, you haven't asked the question that screams to be answered...

If there is a $100K "slush fund" in the bank, and Nick states that CMI is "Done", then why was the CMI Membership fee increased to $1,000 this year? There certainly isn't the need for the $$$.

This is beginning to reek of all the BS that our Canadian friends have been bitchin' about with their associations.