If anyone wants CMI but can't afford the one-time $375...

[Matt Berman]

Nick do i just send in the app. with all info. complete or is there a special way to do it.Thanks Matt Berman

[Billy Boerner]

Guys Marcel is by far in the realm of the chosen few who really are master inspectors. Bottom line is becoming a home inspector is not hard. Becoming a home inspector who never gets sued is hard. Takes alot of hard work to get to a point where you even think your knowledable enough to start doing home inspections on your own. Marcel by far outweighs most of us if not all here. He's a walking construction dictionary and I don't say that about everyone. I have learned a great deal from this man and trust me when I say a honorary CMI badge is in order. I would waive the 3 year requirement for this man. He has gave a great deal to this organization.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by bboerner

Guys Marcel is by far in the realm of the chosen few who really are master inspectors. Bottom line is becoming a home inspector is not hard. Becoming a home inspector who never gets sued is hard. Takes alot of hard work to get to a point where you even think your knowledable enough to start doing home inspections on your own. Marcel by far outweighs most of us if not all here. He's a walking construction dictionary and I don't say that about everyone. I have learned a great deal from this man and trust me when I say a honorary CMI badge is in order. I would waive the 3 year requirement for this man. He has gave a great deal to this organization.

Tell us the new standard we should go by to become a CMI and
how do we apply your standards to everyone the same?

Are all experienced contractors now CMI's?

Regarding the idea that "becoming a home inspector is not hard",
that is a true statement and why our industry is not respected
in many areas, where anyone can call themselves an inspector.

This is one of the reasons we need to define CMI by real standards
and apply them fairly to all.

[Billy Boerner]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

Tell us the new standard we should go by to become a CMI and
how do we apply your standards to everyone the same?

Are all experienced contractors now CMI's?

Regarding the idea that "becoming a home inspector is not hard",
that is a true statement and why our industry is not respected
in many areas, where anyone can call themselves an inspector.

This is one of the reasons we need to define CMI by real standards
and apply them fairly to all.

John I agree with you 100%. However, in Marcel's case he has proven time and time again he could easily teach building science technology in any major university in the country. You nor I can disagree with that. Problem with Marcel is it sounds like he lives and inspects out in the woods and just as he stated would take years before he will ever hit 1000 home inspections.

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Good morning Billy, and hope all is well.

I am honored for what you have said, but the rules will not change.
I will wait and do it in the fashion that they have set the standards at.
I will be retired by then, but that is OK.

Again, thank you, and will continue to help others where I can.

[Wayne B. Wilson]

Hmm I thought it was looked at with experience , Inspections, Knowledge, Education , and so on .to equal 1000 inspections so with that said i Should think Marcel could sit on the board for CMI. Would not commercial inspecting count ? Just wondering
I had 23 years Inspecting Equipment and Performing routines on all Building Equipment and Building stucture
5 Years fire Inspecting
All education to get License In TN
Many Hours in Training from Trane , Carrier, Boiler, Under ground Storage , Power , Standby Power, Power Transfer switching and so on .
But i feel Marcel could Educate me A whole lot.

I agree CMI should be handed out lightly and standards are set but they should also be a Guide Line not set in Stone.

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Thanks Wayne, but I believe the interpetation of the makers of CMI, for educational hours and experience in other types of inspections not perceivable to them is not related to Home Inspection experience.

Therefore, we will have to follow their designed standard as they see fit.

[Wayne B. Wilson]

well i asked a couple of times
800 Inspection all the training needed for here and the state
Past training in Heat and Air
I wonder if i would get it even or should i save my money

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Originally Posted by wwilson3

well i asked a couple of times
800 Inspection all the training needed for here and the state
Past training in Heat and Air
I wonder if i would get it even or should i save my money

Well, considering my membership is coming due and the economic times as it is, I choose to save my money at this time.

[John McKenna]

If the education a person has would be accepted by InterNACHI for CE
requirements, then it would count toward CMI as well. So if a person
has the education hours and inspections that equal 1000, then that
part is done.

If someone has been in business as an inspector for 3 years, then
they have finished this qualification as well.

If Marcel wants to apply, then he can do so. It is open to all.

[Billy Boerner]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

If the education a person has would be accepted by InterNACHI for CE
requirements, then it would count toward CMI as well. So if a person
has the education hours and inspections that equal 1000, then that
part is done.

If someone has been in business as an inspector for 3 years, then
they have finished this qualification as well.

If Marcel wants to apply, then he can do so. It is open to all.

John I don't follow...

You need 1000 inspections I get that. How many CE hours do you need? Or can I have 600 inspections and 400 CE hours and then I qualify?

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by bboerner

John I don't follow...

You need 1000 inspections I get that. How many CE hours do you need? Or can I have 600 inspections and 400 CE hours and then I qualify?

YES... you can combine inspections with CE hours.

1. Completing 1,000 fee-paid inspections or hours of inspection-related continuing education (combined) in their lifetime.
2. Proving they've been in the inspection business for at least 3 years.
3. Abiding by the industry's toughest Code of Ethics.
4. Substantially following a Board approved Standards of Practice.
5. Submitting to a criminal background check.
6. Applying for Board certification by signing the affidavit in front of a Notary.

http://www.certifiedmasterinspector.org/

[Marcel R. Cyr]

That is the way I take it Billy.

b. The Certified Master Inspector® shall have completed 1,000 fee-paid inspections or hours of inspection-related continuing education (combined) in his/her lifetime.

c. The Certified Master Inspector® shall have been in the inspection business for at least 3 years.

What it does not address, is what is approved as inspection -related continuing education material such as Resident Construction Engineer as defined by the US. Government and other such cases like experience in all aspects of the building industry that helps in building a strong inspection capability required to meet the criteria of that title.

How much education in the Construction Field must a person have to meet that criteria.

When I got that position of a Civil Engineering Technician for the Government, I got it based on my previous abilities and experience and no college certificate. And that was 25 years ago.
I also won a Citation for it while doing it and I thought I was merely doing what I was suppose to do.

"Inspect the work of a Building Contractor for the benefit of the US Government. That relates to 3000 hours of Commercial Inspections.

Just food for thought when assessing some of the CMI applications for others.

I think more Home Inspectors out there need to be evaluated in different fashions other than just looking at CEs and/or the amount of Inspections that might have been done wrong for as many as claimed was done and not even know it.

Just my opinion on the subject.

[Billy Boerner]

Originally Posted by mcyr

That is the way I take it Billy.

b. The Certified Master Inspector® shall have completed 1,000 fee-paid inspections or hours of inspection-related continuing education (combined) in his/her lifetime.

c. The Certified Master Inspector® shall have been in the inspection business for at least 3 years.

What it does not address, is what is approved as inspection -related continuing education material such as Resident Construction Engineer as defined by the US. Government and other such cases like experience in all aspects of the building industry that helps in building a strong inspection capability required to meet the criteria of that title.

How much education in the Construction Field must a person have to meet that criteria.

When I got that position of a Civil Engineering Technician for the Government, I got it based on my previous abilities and experience and no college certificate. And that was 25 years ago.
I also won a Citation for it while doing it and I thought I was merely doing what I was suppose to do.

"Inspect the work of a Building Contractor for the benefit of the US Government. That relates to 3000 hours of Commercial Inspections.

Just food for thought when assessing some of the CMI applications for others.

I think more Home Inspectors out there need to be evaluated in different fashions other than just looking at CEs and/or the amount of Inspections that might have been done wrong for as many as claimed was done and not even know it.

Just my opinion on the subject.

John -- Marcel has a point. What do you consider to be home inspection related? Is there certain classes you all have set in stone or is it up to you to determine? To answer your question I think what you have in place is just fine. However I could easily make up a story that I've done 1000 paid inspections. How do you all verify this? Does everyone send you all 1000 reports? I say before one can be verfied as a master inspector one needs to be certified on site by another master inspector.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by mcyr

That is the way I take it Billy.

b. The Certified Master Inspector® shall have completed 1,000 fee-paid inspections or hours of inspection-related continuing education (combined) in his/her lifetime.

c. The Certified Master Inspector® shall have been in the inspection business for at least 3 years.

What it does not address, is what is approved as inspection -related continuing education material such as Resident Construction Engineer as defined by the US. Government and other such cases like experience in all aspects of the building industry that helps in building a strong inspection capability required to meet the criteria of that title.

How much education in the Construction Field must a person have to meet that criteria.

When I got that position of a Civil Engineering Technician for the Government, I got it based on my previous abilities and experience and no college certificate. And that was 25 years ago.
I also won a Citation for it while doing it and I thought I was merely doing what I was suppose to do.

"Inspect the work of a Building Contractor for the benefit of the US Government. That relates to 3000 hours of Commercial Inspections.

Just food for thought when assessing some of the CMI applications for others.

I think more Home Inspectors out there need to be evaluated in different fashions other than just looking at CEs and/or the amount of Inspections that might have been done wrong for as many as claimed was done and not even know it.

Just my opinion on the subject.

It sounds like you have plenty of education. Do you feel that
that a CMI should have ANY experience doing fee paid inspections?

It can be said that we will open a can of worms if we qualify CMI's
who have never done an inspection?

So what do you thinks if fair to inspectors and consumers alike?
Solutions are better than just complaints.

BTW... there is no perfect system IMHO.