For newer inspectors

[Ralph Brady]

Do you know what the issue with this is?



Maybe reminder for some seasoned inspectors too.
I ran into this in a house built in 1988 last week.
Goodman Mfg model #HCC050ND3R

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

Hundreds of these are still in service today. Your model number does not contain an "X," which are the recalled furnaces.

The safety alert is directed at furnaces equipped with steel "NOx" rods installed above the burners to control the emission of nitrogen oxide compounds. The suffix "X" at the end of the model number designates those furnaces with steel rods.

[Paul Pendley]

Jeff...dude you got some good eyes or I just dont know how to blow that pic up to view...but my first look wouldve been its location so close to the access and the wearing of socked sandals to do an inspection.

[Bob Elliott]

I think Jeff used his powers of reasoning more than his eyes as he figured like any good detective that Ralph had a reason for including the model number.

Now as for that missing drip leg...........

[Paul Pendley]

Haha...I just looked again...Shame on me....I didnt see that the model # is posted under the pic. Talk about snake in the grass.

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

Nope. I'm not THAT young Paul

Originally Posted by belliott

Now as for that missing drip leg...........

CA Home Inspectors can go a lifetime without seeing a drip leg. They are not required in most jurisdictions out here. . .

[Paul Pendley]

You should however wear appropriate clothing.

[Ralph Brady]

Originally Posted by ppendley

You should however wear appropriate clothing.

Sandals with socks are appropriate clothing for Humboldt County Besides I have a medical condition which I minimize by wearing open toed shoes whenever possible. I ussualy wear my indoor shoes inside the house, but this house didn't require specialized footwear.

[Ralph Brady]

Originally Posted by jpope

Hundreds of these are still in service today. Your model number does not contain an "X," which are the recalled furnaces.

I went back to the recall page and I guess I didn't understand the 'X' component of the model number in the table. Thanks for that information Jeff. I have only seen a few of these furnaces and it's been a couple of years.

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml01/01189.html

[Bob Elliott]

Originally Posted by jpope

Nope. I'm not THAT young Paul



CA Home Inspectors can go a lifetime without seeing a drip leg. They are not required in most jurisdictions out here. . .

But since you are not a code inspector you use you powers of common sense and recommend them I hope?

They are used to trap condensation in the line and prevent valve damage despite the alt name (aka) dirt leg.

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

Originally Posted by belliott

But since you are not a code inspector you use you powers of common sense and recommend them I hope?

No. This is one of those issues that is determined by the local utility company - much like the use of copper piping/tubing for natural-gas supply.

CPC 1211.5 Where water vapor is present in the fuel gas served, accessible drip pipes shall be provided at points where condensation will tend to collect.

Apparently our fuel is dry. . .

[Chuck Lambert]

Originally Posted by jpope

No. This is one of those issues that is determined by the local utility company - much like the use of copper piping/tubing for natural-gas supply.

No, many manufacturers REQUIRE them in their installation instructions as do water heater manufacturers.

Chuck

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

Pardon the thread drift. . .

Originally Posted by Chuck Lambert

No, many manufacturers REQUIRE them in their installation instructions as do water heater manufacturers.

Chuck

I haven't seen this. Can you post an example?

[Michael R. Boyett]

Semantics! Don't confuse a drip leg with a sediment trap. Different animals for different requirements even though they are constructed the same. I agree that drip legs (for trapping moisture) are only needed if the local gas supplier requires them. Sediment traps on the other hand are required by IRC G2419.4 as well as many appliance manufacturers for all applications. I know CA uses their own versions of the code so they may be different. See the AOSmith water heater installation instructions below (see, even they confuse the terms somewhat).

[Chuck Lambert]

Originally Posted by jpope

Pardon the thread drift. . .I haven't seen this. Can you post an example?

York, Carrier for starters on the furnace ends.

Bradford White, GE and others for water heaters below is a Bradford White installation manual see page 15 section 1.

http://www.bradfordwhite.com/images/...-47656-00B.pdf

We all know manufacturers installation guidelines trumps Local AHJ every time.

Chuck