Draft RESNET Standard now open for public comment

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by rmaday

I'm not the one declaring it a "non-issue"

But you are the one demanding action from others, while you do nothing yourself.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by mlarson

It's a non-issue for John.

He is not the one being sued.

I am also not the one telling others to take action, while I do nothing. That would be you.

[Michael Larson]

That's right John. Keep spinning.

WTH are organizations for?

[Rick Maday]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

I am also not the one telling others to take action, while I do nothing. That would be you.

If I had the resources to take homesafe to task, I would.

I asked the leaders in the industry to step up, as FLIR, Fluke, NACHI, ASHI, RESNET, et al could probably take care of all of this in one fell swoop without affecting their finances too much.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by rmaday

If I had the resources to take homesafe to task, I would.

I asked the leaders in the industry to step up, as FLIR, Fluke, NACHI, ASHI, RESNET, et al could probably take care of all of this in one fell swoop without affecting their finances too much.

Suggesting what others may do is easy to do. Many do it all
the time and there is no harm done with your suggestions.

If others feel that this issue does not rise to the same level
of concern that you do, they should not be accused of causing
harm because they do not feel compelled to join you.

Again, it is easy to say that "others" should be doing something.

[Linas I. Dapkus]

Hey Rick,
Didn't you mention earlier this year that your buisness plans called for expanding your services to include IR ?

[Chris Mayes]

This is exactly what HomeSafe wants.... for you all to talk about them. Did everyone forget that there are new infrared standards coming out that has literally NOTHING to do with HS? I'm interested in getting back to the original topic of this thread.

I know this is how every thread in this topic seems to go. Someone says sometihing controversial, then John ends up in an argument with someone, and a perfectly good thread goes to crap. Can we please talk about the changes to the infrared standards?


Chris Mayes
AC Tool Supply, Inc.
www.energyauditortalk.org

[Rick Maday]

Originally Posted by ldapkus

Hey Rick,
Didn't you mention earlier this year that your buisness plans called for expanding your services to include IR ?

Yeah was planing to get it done Q2, but I had to put it off for now.

[Rick Maday]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

Suggesting what others may do is easy to do. Many do it all
the time and there is no harm done with your suggestions.

If others feel that this issue does not rise to the same level
of concern that you do, they should not be accused of causing
harm because they do not feel compelled to join you.

Again, it is easy to say that "others" should be doing something.

And it is just as easy to say things are a non-issue, when you are not the one under the gun, so to speak.

Peace.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by rmaday

And it is just as easy to say things are a non-issue, when you are not the one under the gun, so to speak.

Peace.

Yes... but I have not turned my position into a chance to
condemn people. Everyone can have an opinion, but we
do not need to turn it into a reason to attack people.

[Linas I. Dapkus]

Originally Posted by rmaday

Yeah was planing to get it done Q2, but I had to put it off for now.

That's a shame your so scared. I did a roof scan on 2 condo buildings the other night$$$ These are the standards I followed. Your missing out on a lot of work with all the rain we've had. But that's OK I guess. Go ahead and wait until this blows over.

[Peter C. Russell]

John S, Am I correct to assume that these standards are for new construction energy star rated home's?

Thank you for your input.

[Jason Kaylor]

Originally Posted by prussell

John S, Am I correct to assume that these standards are for new construction energy star rated home's?

Thank you for your input.

No Peter, and that is why it is such a big deal, that for some reason this thread is just missing. Current Energy Star homes pass a thermal bypass checklist as they are being built. It is just like any other inspection during construction (electrical, HVAC, plumbing, etc).

From my understanding this will become the SOP for Resnet (HERS) ratings. What will make this even more important is if/when Resnet and BPI merge their standard in to one.

Another topic that has come up during these types of discussions is, will you be able to now go back and re rate 2004 and prior homes as Energy Star homes? If that ends up being the case (this will be of interest to you) those structures will more than likely require some upgrades to meet the 2004 IECC. Which then leads to another question. Will Energy Star eventually upgrade the builders incentives (tax credits) for these structures to include these upgrades?

John Snell didn't really touch on any issues that he is aware of, maybe because he wants to see if others feel as though they are an issue and if language should be added in to the draft. I believe that is what he was asking for here, since you are all professional HI's. Instead you guys fight amongest yourselves.

This truly is a big deal, and you guys can potentially have a voice in this upcoming standard, which will have a big impact on the IR community as a whole. John Snell, from what I know, is the main consultant on the IR side of this standard.

John McKenna, you of all people should realized the importance of this for not only the IR community, but also NACHI members and even yourself. You really should have (still should) just delete or move the posts in this thread about HomeSafe to another thread.

Jason Kaylor – JJ
VP of Specialty Products
877/207-1244

[Peter C. Russell]

Originally Posted by jkaylor

No Peter, and that is why it is such a big deal, that for some reason this thread is just missing. Current Energy Star homes pass a thermal bypass checklist as they are being built. It is just like any other inspection during construction (electrical, HVAC, plumbing, etc).

From my understanding this will become the SOP for Resnet (HERS) ratings. What will make this even more important is if/when Resnet and BPI merge their standard in to one.

Another topic that has come up during these types of discussions is, will you be able to now go back and re rate 2004 and prior homes as Energy Star homes? If that ends up being the case (this will be of interest to you) those structures will more than likely require some upgrades to meet the 2004 IECC. Which then leads to another question. Will Energy Star eventually upgrade the builders incentives (tax credits) for these structures to include these upgrades?

John Snell didn't really touch on any issues that he is aware of, maybe because he wants to see if others feel as though they are an issue and if language should be added in to the draft. I believe that is what he was asking for here, since you are all professional HI's. Instead you guys fight amongest yourselves.

This truly is a big deal, and you guys can potentially have a voice in this upcoming standard, which will have a big impact on the IR community as a whole. John Snell, from what I know, is the main consultant on the IR side of this standard.

John McKenna, you of all people should realized the importance of this for not only the IR community, but also NACHI members and even yourself. You really should have (still should) just delete or move the posts in this thread about HomeSafe to another thread.

Jason Kaylor – JJ
VP of Specialty Products
877/207-1244

Good post Jason, thanks. I guess I'm still confused and hopefully John can elaborate more. I am aware of the HERS rating but how does this new standard effect existing housing stock.

IE, what is the standard for a home built in 1860 VS a home built in 1960. If 50 pascals is the standard for blower door testing what will be the standard for IR.

Also, will my BPI Building Analyst and ITC Building Science credentials be applicable to the new standard or will new training be required.

[John Snell]

I am NOT an official RESNET spokesman, so this is simply my take on the draft standard, which I helped to write along with a half dozen other practicing building thermographers.

1. This can be used for either new or existing homes. RESNET now has the ability to rate existing homes.
2. Any IR inspection done to meet RESNET will be required to follow this standard and be done by someone who is certified according to the standard (scope of standard).
3. Existing training can be used; there are two "methods" for qualification and certification (Section 802.1).
4. I don't know if Jason's excellent observations are on the "radar" for anyone at RESNET. I would hope some of you would raise them as they are important points.

Again, you may read the draft standard at: <http://www.resnet.us/standards/mortgage/amendments/2009/performance_testing/RESNET_IR_Plain_Language.pdf> and then make comments.

Thank you,

John Snell
Snell Infrared
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