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[James H. Bushart]

The CEO of our local electrical cooperative, 40 plus years in the electrical profession, was discussing with a few of us the latest emphasis on energy efficiency and audits.

Assuming that what I read on this message board was true, I asked him how much he relied on IR cameras to help him with his audits.

He laughed.

He explained that all engineers and professionals in the energy business know that an IR camera is only good for about 10 days out of the year....when the ambient temperatures in and surrounding a house are the same.

He said they were good for finding hot wires, though. But for energy audits, he used the term "worthless".

Of course...this man will never know as much as you do with your three years of owning a camera and two and a half years of teaching others how to use it. Still, I am sticking with his analysis.

Along with having absolutely no regard for your self proclaimed "expertise" in thermography, I have an even lower regard for your interpretation of patent laws and I don't think I am alone in that.

I'm interested to see what Joe F. thinks of your thoughtful and in-depth turds of wisdom regarding his post. Your willingness to take the low road to encourage people to ignore a member's patent in order to make a quick buck is quite revealing....and disgusting.

[Ben J. Gromicko]

I vote John is an expert.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by bgromicko

I vote John is an expert.

Of course you do....but then, you produced a video that taught us how we are to inform clients that their four year old water heaters were defective because they were made from thinner glass and should be replaced....and how we inspectors should be entering low, wet crawlspaces.

But you've improved since then, Ben.

How much money do you make on John's video, anyway? Enough to proclaim him an "expert"?

[Ben J. Gromicko]

Originally Posted by jbushart

....But you've improved since then, Ben.

Don't get sweet on me now, sugar bear. Remember, I also put up a video of a master electrician who stuck his hands inside a live electrical panel. What a nut? (nut: the electrician... not me)

[Ben J. Gromicko]

Originally Posted by jbushart

How much money do you make on John's video, anyway? Enough to proclaim him an "expert"?

I vote James is an expert.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by bgromicko

Don't get sweet on me now, sugar bear. Remember, I also put up a video of a master electrician who stuck his hands inside a live electrical panel. What a nut? (nut: the electrician... not me)

Tell us what you think, Ben.

An INACHI member has a patent that John has declared...as a result of his own expertise and analytical skills....to be invalid. He encourages others to ignore this patent.

Is this consistent with the ethical code of INACHI and CMI, in your opinion?

Is this what "experts" are supposed to do?

[James H. Bushart]

Ben?

Are you there?

[James H. Bushart]

I suppose he was called away on something important....eh?

[Ben J. Gromicko]

ZZZZzzzzz Huh?
I'm here. I'm slurping coffee to stay awake and finish editing the upcoming training video.

To be honest, I don't know what you guys are talking about. Apparently someone has a patent on the use of an infrared camera. Wow. Never heard that before. Sounds pretty amazing and hard to understand.

If I'm doing something wrong, I don't know it. If I need to be told about it, I'm sure someone will. Until then, I'm working to keep a roof over my families head, food on the table, kids in a good school, and my wife happy.

Later, dude. I'm off this thread, and onto another.

[James H. Bushart]

So much for his "expert" witness. LOL

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jbushart

He said they were good for finding hot wires, though. But for energy audits, he used the term "worthless".

U.S. Department Of Energy Now Recommends That

A Thermographic Scan Be Done Before Purchasing

A House, Even On New Homes

"In addition to using thermography during an energy audit, you should have a scan done before purchasing a house; even new houses can have defects in their thermal envelopes. You may wish to include a clause in the contract requiring a thermographic scan of the house. A thermographic scan performed by a certified technician is usually accurate enough to use as documentation in court proceedings."

Goodnight.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jbushart

...that an IR camera is only good for about 10 days out of the year....when the ambient temperatures in and surrounding a house are the same.

My fellow thermographers will understand the humor of the
above post. I will say nothing. (how not to use Delta T)

I find energy deficiencies year round (by accident) when using
my IR camera. Sometimes I wish I did not see so much.

[rbibler]

I have a problem with the energy deficiencies program and the all the required certs. to do this type of work. Looks to be nothing more then a drag on the backs of young inspectors or guys trying to start up a small company to offer this service. from what i can see the Obama energy program and the money is stuck in the mud of Wash DC. Red tape.
looking at the required Certs and what it cost to get this going is a rip off. the standards are a joke at this point. Good for John S. For trying set the bar. The Certs are way over priced. and the work load and pay is out of balance.

Sorry thats just what i see of this program.

The fact that an IR Camera is not part of the program should be the first clue that the energy deficiencies program is out of wack...

Best

Ron

Best

Ron

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by rbibler

I have a problem with the energy deficiencies program and the all the required certs. to do this type of work. Looks to be nothing more then a drag on the backs of young inspectors or guys trying to start up a small company to offer this service. from what i can see the Obama energy program and the money is stuck in the mud of Wash DC. Red tape.
looking at the required Certs and what it cost to get this going is a rip off. the standards are a joke at this point. Good for John S. For trying set the bar. The Certs are way over priced. and the work load and pay is out of balance.

Sorry thats just what i see of this program.

The fact that an IR Camera is not part of the program should be the first clue that the energy deficiencies program is out of wack...

Best

Ron

Best

Ron

Good post.

[Peter C. Russell]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

My fellow thermographers will understand the humor of the
above post. I will say nothing. (how not to use Delta T)

I find energy deficiencies year round (by accident) when using
my IR camera. Sometimes I wish I did not see so much.

I agree John, I had to laugh when I read that, some old dog who work's for the electric company??????? But hey he told James what he wanted to hear and he ran with it.

I use my camera just as much for my construction business as my inspections. As for the 10 days out of the year, HA that's a good one. If this is true why are 1000s of people all over the country using them everyday, from inspectors to contractors, HVAC companies, cleaning/mediation companies, roofing and insulation contractors.

James you should go back to b*tching about licensing, your better at it.