Flir i7 is this enough resolution?

[Jason Kaylor]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

I thought you had already compared the two in order for you
to make your statements. I would like to see it before I spend $50.

John, no offense but you obviously do not know the first thing about this application. There is a very short time window to do a job like this. Plus, even when the time window opens there are many other variables involved that you cannot simply just jump on a flat roof and start scanning at anytime. Waisting time taking both long wave and short wave images would be a huge waist of money....not to mention you might not get the job done. Also, keep in mind I am in AZ, it is not like we get a ton of rain here, so our window is even smaller.

I guess if you really want a comparison you can hire us to do a case study, that you can then publish for your own purposes.

JJ

[rking6]

From someone who has always tried to broaden my horizons and has completed training from Infraspection and Snell, Jason is absolutely correct. The only thing I would add which Jason probably would agree (assuming here) is that short wave is substantially more effective on some types of roofing materials than long wave but works better overall than long wave as a whole when performing flat roof inspections. I have used both and I find a good long wave camera to be effective for many materials but I won't even consider touching certain roofs without all appropriate conditions and a short wave imager.

I don't post here often because, well I generally have better things to do but I find it quite hilarious to see some individuals touted as "experts" when everything they say on this board is completely incorrect or somewhat accurate at best. IR and inspections shouldn't be about providing a minimum or mediocre inspection it should be about doing the best job possible with the best equipment possible (you can afford and profit from) and charging the most the market will bear. Maybe that's why I get about 40% more per inspection then my competitors...but that's just my view point...let the responses continue...

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jkaylor

John, no offense but you obviously do not know the first thing about this application. There is a very short time window to do a job like this. Plus, even when the time window opens there are many other variables involved that you cannot simply just jump on a flat roof and start scanning at anytime. Waisting time taking both long wave and short wave images would be a huge waist of money....not to mention you might not get the job done. Also, keep in mind I am in AZ, it is not like we get a ton of rain here, so our window is even smaller.

I guess if you really want a comparison you can hire us to do a case study, that you can then publish for your own purposes.

JJ

I teach these same principles in every class. Thanks.

Yes, I would like to hire you to back up your statements with
some photos. I figure your worth at least $20. Get back
with me when your done. I am not saying your wrong, I would
just like to see some photos.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by rking6

From someone who has always tried to broaden my horizons and has completed training from Infraspection and Snell, Jason is absolutely correct. The only thing I would add which Jason probably would agree (assuming here) is that short wave is substantially more effective on some types of roofing materials than long wave but works better overall than long wave as a whole when performing flat roof inspections. I have used both and I find a good long wave camera to be effective for many materials but I won't even consider touching certain roofs without all appropriate conditions and a short wave imager.

I don't post here often because, well I generally have better things to do but I find it quite hilarious to see some individuals touted as "experts" when everything they say on this board is completely incorrect or somewhat accurate at best. IR and inspections shouldn't be about providing a minimum or mediocre inspection it should be about doing the best job possible with the best equipment possible (you can afford and profit from) and charging the most the market will bear. Maybe that's why I get about 40% more per inspection then my competitors...but that's just my view point...let the responses continue...

How much do you charge?
What kind of IR camera do you have now what did you start with?
When did you start your IR services?

[ldapkus]

Originally Posted by rking6

From someone who has always tried to broaden my horizons and has completed training from Infraspection and Snell, Jason is absolutely correct. The only thing I would add which Jason probably would agree (assuming here) is that short wave is substantially more effective on some types of roofing materials than long wave but works better overall than long wave as a whole when performing flat roof inspections. I have used both and I find a good long wave camera to be effective for many materials but I won't even consider touching certain roofs without all appropriate conditions and a short wave imager.

I don't post here often because, well I generally have better things to do but I find it quite hilarious to see some individuals touted as "experts" when everything they say on this board is completely incorrect or somewhat accurate at best. IR and inspections shouldn't be about providing a minimum or mediocre inspection it should be about doing the best job possible with the best equipment possible (you can afford and profit from) and charging the most the market will bear. Maybe that's why I get about 40% more per inspection then my competitors...but that's just my view point...let the responses continue...

Hey Randy,
Do me a favor and get your own IR images to use on your website. Mr.IR know-it-all huh? I took that image at an inspection in Plainfield, Illinois about 2 years ago and have it on my home page of my website. That's a FLIR BCam and PhotoScape manipulation by the way. Gotcha!!
By the way, do you use a blower door for your "energy surveys"? You get 40% more than your competition? Is that with the $20 discount? Speak about full of S H I T. Now that is funny.

[rking6]

John,

Started IR about 2 yrs. ago. In regards to pricing I am assuming you are refering to home inspections and overall I really base my pricing on a number of factors, sq. footage, age, location (because I am in more of a rural area and travel quite far sometimes) and what additional services are required. Started with a BCAM and changed within a year or so after I started getting inquiries for IR specific services, currently have a T300.

Linas, not an expert nor do I claim to be. As expressed in the original post I only try to get as much information and training as I can to broaden my horizons and be as good of an inspector and thermographer as I feel I can. I essentially like to get training from numerous sources and as many top-level professionals and educational providers as I can to come to my own conclusions on what is the most effective methods and what is not, more or less I try to be as round of an individual as possible. About the pricing yes, on average 40% more, I don't tout that number to toot my horn just to display what the potential is when you request the pricing of what the market can truly bear as opposed to trying to compete with low-ballers, not full of S H I T. In regards to the $20.00 off which I am assuming you refering to on my website, that is what is referred to as an incentive and a call to action, its a way to get people to act on a product, service, or offer now, and not to call around, and I can promise you it works. I know this information including the 40% differential because I don't sit on message boards, I watch web statistics, check on my competition usually 2-3 times a year, perform focus groups in the area, look for new ways to increase net profit and continually test my marketing and advertising efforts and know what works for me in my area. I come from a business backround more specifically sales and marketing and run my business the way it should be. I could probably throw out more numbers in reference to per unit price, profit, and growth numbers and you probably wouldn't believe that either, but why do I care.

In regards to the picture, I guess you got me...sort of...not a problem can be removed, I'll do my best to get it down over the weekend. That would be my web developer. I more or less provide a general content outline and then the developer finishes the rest. By the way I have a completely different co. and site for IR and I can promise you that it doesn't have any of your pics (at least I hope ), I would check google, my site is def. not the only one with that pic, the unfortunate side of the world wide web I guess. Not an expert though, just providing my personal viewpoint and opinion. I see what John and Jason are both saying. Obviously, John appears to have real-world IR experience in the realm of HI's and Jason just flat-out know his stuff, and knows the commercial side because he is in it and continues to learn, and that's ultimately the key, especially in IR.

Best of luck to all and the IR realm, I think IR provides a great opportunity and potential revenue stream for HI's but you have got to be willing to learn, learn, learn, and test, test, test. It took me almost 8 months of just combining IR with my HI's before I really got a system down where the majority of the inspections I perform for clients include it.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by rking6

John,

Started IR about 2 yrs. ago. In regards to pricing I am assuming you are refering to home inspections and overall I really base my pricing on a number of factors, sq. footage, age, location (because I am in more of a rural area and travel quite far sometimes) and what additional services are required. Started with a BCAM and changed within a year or so after I started getting inquiries for IR specific services, currently have a T300.

Many start with a low end camera then buy more later.
Sounds like you did not start with the most expensive
thing first after all. It's OK, we won't tell anyone.

Keep helping the little guy coming after you.

[rking6]

John, I think you mis-read my first post or aren't quite following what I said. Nonetheless, unlike some others I don't think there is necassarily anything wrong starting with a lower-end imager and have never argued this point, ultimately the operator just needs to understand his/her equipment limitations. What the hell does "Keep helping the little guy coming after you" mean?

Jason, I have to be honest I don't know how you and others manage on this board! There is so much criticism and negativity its unreal. I wonder why some inspectors and thermographers rarely post and visit and why some just decide not to reply anymore. Hope everyone has a good rest of the evening.

[RAY THOROMAN]

Originally Posted by rthoroman

Thx for the info John. Now I feel I'm making some progress!


So if I do not want to offer roof scans BUT everything else I mentioned, what would be the best camera you'd recommend? I can do withOUT offering roof scans if it means a less expensive or less resolution camera.


Do you recommend offering energy aduits without BPI or RESNET Certifications? If not, could I get certified in one or another? Which is better?


Would you recommend offering energy audits after completing your course only?


What blower door do you recommend?


John, I'd like to keep start up costs as least as possible BUT that does not mean I'm looking to waste my money on equipment or training that is junk or does not do the job properly.


Thx again.

I'll leave these questions for anyone. Must say I luv the rabbit trails. Good info though.


Jason, thx for your input. Would like your opinion on these questions.

John, I agree need some training. But it doesnt hurt to get some very good information in here though.

Where's all the other pro thermal imagers

[Greg Bell]

Originally Posted by rking6

John, I think you mis-read my first post or aren't quite following what I said. Nonetheless, unlike some others I don't think there is necassarily anything wrong starting with a lower-end imager and have never argued this point, ultimately the operator just needs to understand his/her equipment limitations. What the hell does "Keep helping the little guy coming after you" mean?

Jason, I have to be honest I don't know how you and others manage on this board! There is so much criticism and negativity its unreal. I wonder why some inspectors and thermographers rarely post and visit and why some just decide not to reply anymore. Hope everyone has a good rest of the evening.

I think that it is the perception of the general public that needs to understand the limitations. Most don't know what the limitations of a low end camera are.

[ldapkus]

Originally Posted by rking6

John,

Started IR about 2 yrs. ago. In regards to pricing I am assuming you are refering to home inspections and overall I really base my pricing on a number of factors, sq. footage, age, location (because I am in more of a rural area and travel quite far sometimes) and what additional services are required. Started with a BCAM and changed within a year or so after I started getting inquiries for IR specific services, currently have a T300.

Linas, not an expert nor do I claim to be. As expressed in the original post I only try to get as much information and training as I can to broaden my horizons and be as good of an inspector and thermographer as I feel I can. I essentially like to get training from numerous sources and as many top-level professionals and educational providers as I can to come to my own conclusions on what is the most effective methods and what is not, more or less I try to be as round of an individual as possible. About the pricing yes, on average 40% more, I don't tout that number to toot my horn just to display what the potential is when you request the pricing of what the market can truly bear as opposed to trying to compete with low-ballers, not full of S H I T. In regards to the $20.00 off which I am assuming you refering to on my website, that is what is referred to as an incentive and a call to action, its a way to get people to act on a product, service, or offer now, and not to call around, and I can promise you it works. I know this information including the 40% differential because I don't sit on message boards, I watch web statistics, check on my competition usually 2-3 times a year, perform focus groups in the area, look for new ways to increase net profit and continually test my marketing and advertising efforts and know what works for me in my area. I come from a business backround more specifically sales and marketing and run my business the way it should be. I could probably throw out more numbers in reference to per unit price, profit, and growth numbers and you probably wouldn't believe that either, but why do I care.

In regards to the picture, I guess you got me...sort of...not a problem can be removed, I'll do my best to get it down over the weekend. That would be my web developer. I more or less provide a general content outline and then the developer finishes the rest. By the way I have a completely different co. and site for IR and I can promise you that it doesn't have any of your pics (at least I hope ), I would check google, my site is def. not the only one with that pic, the unfortunate side of the world wide web I guess. Not an expert though, just providing my personal viewpoint and opinion. I see what John and Jason are both saying. Obviously, John appears to have real-world IR experience in the realm of HI's and Jason just flat-out know his stuff, and knows the commercial side because he is in it and continues to learn, and that's ultimately the key, especially in IR.

Best of luck to all and the IR realm, I think IR provides a great opportunity and potential revenue stream for HI's but you have got to be willing to learn, learn, learn, and test, test, test. It took me almost 8 months of just combining IR with my HI's before I really got a system down where the majority of the inspections I perform for clients include it.

Randy,
Quit the BS, you are the "website developer" this is your webhost.
If you're paying someone to copy and paste materials into a do-it-yourself website, you are being taken for a ride. What is the link to your IR website? I can't seem to find it. You claim to have a T300, which is not something that is easy to operate, the user manual is 275 pages!!

[rking6]

Actually Linas you are partially correct...but again no B.S, nice try though. The webhost offers a number of different packages, if you are more familiar with the site type you can literally do everything with the exception of bare bones design and look or if your like me everything can be done at a larger monthly hosting fee. I am not good with computers and basically supply the general content or verbage and then that information is altered slightly and a picture supplied with the corresponding web page. The fact that you don't believe me means nothing, check with the webhost since it appears you have so much time on your hands in attempting to research people and products. By the way your picture/thermal image has been removed.

The manual is 266 pages not 275, and the imager is not difficult to operate. Was there challenges changing from something like my BCAM, absolutely, I wouldn't deny that but it is not difficult to operate, its actually quite user friendly after you get the screen options and layout down its not bad at all. Its def. not a begginers camera but like I said before I always try to learn and then learn some more. The fact that you can't seem to find my IR site doesn't suprise me, it hasn't been up for more than 3 months and isn't entirely finished yet nor is it anywhere near being optimized.

I'm not even going to justify myself any further to you in your hopes of trying to critique more items. You are just like so many on this board with way to much time on your hands and prefer being negative, highly critical, and celebrate medocrity as someone posted earlier as opposed to to actually bettering the industry and asking a relevant question. Instead it appears you prefer being combative, judgemental, and argumentative. What do people have to show a receipt of their imager on this board to prove something, my god. I find it hilarious to listen to people like you flex your internet muscles. Do all the research you like, I am done wasting my time on this board with you, I was simply looking to corroborate what Jason said and it simply opended a can of worms, which I am kind of happy about since the site info could be changed because in no way do I want to be associated with you. Well best of luck, I have better things to do, like actually investing my time in my business and spending it with my family. Good luck to everyone!