InterNACHI releases Thermography Addendum to Inspection Contract. Free.

[ekartal6]

Like I told Roy,

Good Bye.

[ekartal6]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Conditions of Membership:

The NACHI COE states that it is the duty of each member to help promote the organization. To that end, a condition of membership in the organization is for any member that has a web site, brochure, or other marketing literature to include NACHI and/or "The National Association of Certified Home Inspectors" (in word, link, and/or text). Should another home inspection association be listed or referred to, it shall be positioned and sized in a manner equal to, or less prominent than that of NACHI. Should any member be found in violation of this rule, membership revocation can occur at any time, and without notice or recourse.

Oh, you'll go far.

[John McKenna]

Erol,

Anyone can send in a check and join ASHI to become an associate member,
without fulfilling any requirements. See below: (it is very clear)

BTW... the same is true of NAHI.

http://www.ashi.org/inspectors/join/categories.asp

There are three designations of active professional home inspector membership in ASHI®.
These ASHI® membership categories are as follows:

ASHI Certified Inspectors— Inspectors in this category have:

• Passed the National Home Inspector Examination and ASHI's Standards and Ethics Examination.
• Had inspection reports successfully verified for compliance with ASHI's Standards of Practice.
• Submitted valid proof of performance of at least 250 fee-paid home inspections that meet or exceed the ASHI Standards of Practice.

ASHI Associates w/ Logo— Inspectors in this category have:

• Passed the National Home Inspector Examination and ASHI's Standards and Ethics Examination.
• ASHI has verified performance of 50 fee-paid inspections in substantial compliance with the Standards of Practice.
• Had inspection reports successfully verified for compliance with ASHI's Standards of Practice.

ASHI Associates— Inspectors in this category have:

• Just joined ASHI and may be new to the inspection profession or may be a seasoned inspector who has not yet completed ASHI's requirements to move up in membership.

[Nick Gromicko]

Wow. Well that about says it all. ZERO entrance requirements.

You know their top-tier level isn't much either...

• the pass rate of the NHIE is now 92%, so that requirement doesn't count for much
• unethical inspectors pass ethics exams by simply giving the ethical answer, so that requirement does't count.
• the 250 inspections could have been done right or wrong. Unsupervised. In fact, technically (as the CMI bashers like to say), the 250 could have lead to 250 lawsuits and they still would have counted them. So that requirement doesn't count.
• all reporting forms and reporting software out there produce SOP compliant reports. In fact, I don't know of a software package that doesn't. So checking to see if a report complies with SOP isn't verifying anything at all. So that requirement doesn't count.

Their membership application is being used in a neglegent referral case right now and I hope the agent loses her home over it.

[ekartal6]

So Nick,

What makes the new NACHI inspector so special? Please don't use the 47% of our applicants who take the test fail bit. I bet 90% of these 'test takers' are kids messing with dad's computer.

When I joined, I breezed through the online exam (at home) and sent you a check for $289. I was then a certified home inspector. Why in the world do you say this is so superior to ASHI?

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by ekartal6

So Nick,

What makes the new NACHI inspector so special? Please don't use the 47% of our applicants who take the test fail bit. I bet 90% of these 'test takers' are kids messing with dad's computer.

When I joined, I breezed through the online exam (at home) and sent you a check for $289. I was then a certified home inspector. Why in the world do you say this is so superior to ASHI?

Nick is just stating the fact that you can become an ASHI member with simply cash.
You cannot do that with iNACHI.... anyway you look at it.

As to you....
All you have to do is paste a simple logo on your web site and fulfill the agreement
YOU made when you joined iNACHI. Why is that hard to do? Relax and just
do it.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by ekartal6

So Nick,

What makes the new NACHI inspector so special? Please don't use the 47% of our applicants who take the test fail bit. I bet 90% of these 'test takers' are kids messing with dad's computer.

When I joined, I breezed through the online exam (at home) and sent you a check for $289. I was then a certified home inspector. Why in the world do you say this is so superior to ASHI?

Erol you have said your thoughts and It looks to me like you want to stay.
Your arguments are to try and convince your self you are doing what is right .
Well I think it is wrong and I think if you where serious you would be gone,not hanging on and not leaving and telling your self all the reasons why you are leaving.
It Looks to me you are happy here and do not want to leave.
Well If I am correct why not bite the bullet say you guys I think I like it here and will put NACHI on my web site and lets carry on helping all we can.

Thats the way I see it from a neutral corner .
Do not let your pride destroy what you have here.
...Cookie

[Nick Gromicko]

Good question Erol, I could go on forever but how about I give you 10 reasons:

First, we have requirements that one must complete before applying for membership. ASHI does not. You can join ASHI by doing nothing more than sending them money. Shazam!

Second, we don't encourage or require new members to go out and perform a certain number of unqualified fee-paid inspection for poor, unsuspecting consumers as the only way to achieve full membership. ASHI unconscionably does.

Third, we don't permit newbies to perform their first inspections on actual consumers. Newbies who wish to apply to InterNACHI must do 4 mock inspections. ASHI has no such requirement and their Candidates or Associates regularly perform their very first inspection for an actual fee-paying consumer. Terrible.

Fourth, we recognize that consumers are most harmed by inspectors who don't know how bad they are. That is why we make our online exam open and free to all... to alert these consumer killers that they should go back to school or not enter the profession. Our free, online exam has alerted tens of thousands of incompetent wannabees each year, some of which have instead joined ASHI and went out on the street to harm existing inspectors and murder consumers.

Fifth, we recognize that newbies need a rigorous ramp-up system. We have it: www.nachi.org/rigorous2006.htm ASHI doesn't.

Sixth, we recognize that fees (for exams or education) are much like a tax in that they deter inspectors from taking it. That is why all our education is affordable or free and much of it is online so that there are no time and transportation costs. This has resulted in us delivering more continuing education than all other groups and schools combined... and for pennies per hour. ASHI offers no or little free education.

Seventh, this industry is changing all the time as are our courses and exams. Passing an exam once, years ago, doesn't alert today's inspector to that which he needs to know. That is why we require members to pass our entrance exam every year. ASHI has no annual exam.

Eigth, we require advanced courses as a condition of membership. ASHI does not.

Ninth, our online courses contain quizzes that alert the quiz-taker when he has answered incorrectly and tells him/her which one's he/she missed. In other words, our quizzes are educational in and of themselves. It does an inspector no good to learn he/she answered x number of questions wrong without telling him/her which ones. ASHI keeps its members in the dark about their weaknesses, any one of which could be deadly to the consumer.

Tenth, we believe the industry should be full of successful full-time inspectors and that business success and marketing is the only way good inspectors can stay in business. That is why we have developed so many success tools www.nachi.org/success.htm What good is it for a technically proficient inspector to go out of business? How does it help the consumer to have our industry flooded with unqualified newbies cutting their prices to get their inspections in and in some cases, waving their newly printed licenses that they got due to ASHI pushed legislation which essentially triples the number of newbies overnight. I don't blame ASHI, they are tied to the NHIE which only makes money if the state uses their minimum standard exam to flood our markets. I blame you for financially supporting them.

[Dale Duffy]

Erol,

From one inspector to another, and also a good friend, hope you don't leave us because of a darn logo.

You always have a lot to offer people seeking help here on the message board, you and I have chatted in the past, you have helped me more than once that's for sure, regarding things I don't know a thing about, like TI, etc.

So I sure hope you change your mind, the logo's don't really mean a thing to anyone who has ever booked an inspection with me anyway. Most people unless their realtors don't even know what home inspection associations are, and I for one could care less what realtors do or think.

Dale

[Nick Gromicko]

Good post Dale, and furthermore you are free to display your no-entrance-requirement diploma mill logo if you want, and InterNACHI members have always been free to do so.

[Dale Duffy]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Good post Dale, and furthermore you are free to display your no-entrance-requirement diploma mill logo if you want, and InterNACHI members have always been free to do so.

I should have a new Logo coming, and one leaving, on my websites very soon.....

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by dduffy

I should have a new Logo coming, and one leaving, on my websites very soon.....

....

[Nick Gromicko]

Uh oh... are we going 100% InterNACHI?

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by dduffy

I should have a new Logo coming, and one leaving, on my websites very soon.....

[David P. Valley]

I want to know how we went from Addendum to Inspection Contract to talking about Insulation to talking about Associations.

As confusing as this thread is now...I want in on this conversation...