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Old 10/19/09, 9:33 AM
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Default IR legal help needed

I'm looking for advice from all the IR experts here.

I did an IR inspection this past January (01/09) on a recently remodeled home for a customer. Prior to the inspection the client indicated he was unable to get the interior temperature above 62 degrees (F) when the outside temps were much below freezing. After thorough IR scanning, it became increasingly evident the contractor ignored the details of properly installing the insulation, house wrap, and siding resulting in excessive air penetration into the dwelling.

Based on the findings of this IR inspection, my client will be initiating legal action against the contractor this week.

So here is the question: Is anyone aware of any specific legal cases involving IR technology being used to detect any of the hidden defects
(insulation, house wrap) mentioned? Anyone aware of any attorneys that have handled IR cases?

This is likely going to be the first such case for my clients' attorney.

Thank you in advance for any help.
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Old 10/19/09, 12:13 PM
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Contact your camera manufacturer. I'd bet they have a list of past cases.
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Old 10/19/09, 12:47 PM
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Your client needs an attorney that is not a newbie IMHO.
I am glad to see that you are moving to help that.



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Old 10/19/09, 7:21 PM
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I would have suggested a more exhausting forensic investigation before litigation.

For a fee of course.
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Old 10/19/09, 7:42 PM
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Did they remove the finish material to confirm?
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Old 10/19/09, 8:49 PM
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Maybe this will help you with some inspection related questions.





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Old 10/19/09, 9:26 PM
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Did they remove the finish material to confirm?
Ditto.

Who cares what tool or meter was used to discover the problem? This case has nothing to do with the IR camera any more than it would have to do with a flashlight.



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Old 10/20/09, 2:36 AM
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From Fluke and also common sense as Rick and Nick have stated

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Next, validate anomalies either by a) cutting the wall open to confirm the pinpointed location






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Very cool. The very reason why I want to get my own Infra Red camera one day.

Question: Using Infra Red how do you tell the difference between a cool uninsulated area compared to a area with actual water damage? Cold shows up as purple I get that. If it's actual water damage is the image still purple?



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Very cool. The very reason why I want to get my own Infra Red camera one day.

Question: Using Infra Red how do you tell the difference between a cool uninsulated area compared to a area with actual water damage? Cold shows up as purple I get that. If it's actual water damage is the image still purple?
Billy,

In most moisture detections, the moisture accumulation would be in an obvious area or the purple IR anomalies are simply confirmed with a moisture meter.

Using the Iron pallete, most air infiltration anomalies contain faded purple edges compared to moisture accumulation which would contain much sharper edges.

Cold air infiltration...



Water damage....
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Old 10/20/09, 8:36 AM
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It is the difference between mottled edges and sharp edges...usually...and remember water runs downhill.



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Old 10/20/09, 11:05 AM
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and remember water runs downhill.

Damn Larry,

Thank GOD you brought this up. I had no idea.
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Old 10/20/09, 5:24 PM
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Hey David, is the chimney still standing, er, I mean tied off?



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Old 10/20/09, 5:28 PM
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Hi David,

Are those your pic's? or are they stock?





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Hey David, is the chimney still standing, er, I mean tied off?

No....It's been taken down.
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