John McKenna introduces radiant barriers. Watch the new episode about saving energy.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by dandersen

The solution is to invest in the training you require to conduct the projects you are undertaking. You have some good programs for the level they were intended for. When you want to expand your applications, you need to expand your training and qualifications.

By saying we need more training you avoid any details
and give us a general comment that is "safe".

We had a discussion in the past that qualitative IR scanning should remain qualitative. You are not doing this in this video and the quantitative information is flawed.

You fail to provide a solution or explain. Your answer
is avoiding the details that you claim to know.

You are enticing others to follow suit. As a trainer, your are in a position of responsibility to these people.

You take the high road as though you are wanting to protect
the masses and have avoided any details... again.

I am not here to pick apart your video. I reviewed the video to understand this product, but it is confusing and misleading from my point of view (and others who have communicated with me). I recommend the white papers available from the Snell Grp.; "Lessons About Basic IR Research"

You have shared no solutions or details... just accusations.

This is a "self regulated" industry. Regulate yourself.

Define the solution. You have provided nothing, just
noble posturing.

Still waiting.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by dandersen

How much does this application cost (pick an average house of your choosing).

Do we have to go through you (there phones and sites are not up yet)?

How do we get a distributorship package?

For more information, contact me at

john@infrared-certified.com

... just as stated on the video.

Be advised, we are not seeking to convince everyone to join us.
That is the opposite of our goal.

Distributors can make approx $1600 to $2300 per house
for an average 3 bedroom home.

[John McKenna]

http://www.spaceconnection.org/products/detail/id/95

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[Jason Kaylor]

Wow when did NASA change their logo? The good news is once we populate Mars they already have the windows figured out. Here is a clip from a site on what the space shuttle windows are made of: (http://www.ksc.nasa.gov/nasadirect/a...day1/sspqa.htm)

Jeremy Hartings from New Orleans, LA
What are the windows in the space shuttle made out of? The windows on the Space Shuttle are actually made out of aluminum silicate glass and fused silica glass. The orbiter windows are actually three different panes, there's an interior pressure pane because the pressure inside the orbiter is a lot higher than it is in the vacuum of space. We also have an optical pane that's installed in the middle that's about three and a half inches thick and on the outside, there's a thermal pane that protects the inside of the cockpit from the high heats of ascent and reentry. There are six forward-looking windows, three on the CDR (Commander) side and three on the PLT (Pilot) side. There are two overhead windows that the crew out of especially when docking to the Space Station they're using those windows to watch the orbiter approach the Space Station. And then there are two windows on the aft that look into the payload bay, and depending on our hatch configuration on the inside, there can be anywhere from one to two additional windows, they're small holes that are installed inside the hatches so you can look through hatch windows. And the side hatch, the emergency egress hatch, has a small hatch window as well. They're all made of the same materials. The forward windows - the ones that the crew actually uses for ascent and entry - are the ones we have to take really good care of in order to maintain the optical quality of them.

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[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jkaylor

Wow when did NASA change their logo? The good news is once we populate Mars they already have the windows figured out. Here is a clip from a site on what the space shuttle windows are made of: (http://www.ksc.nasa.gov/nasadirect/a...day1/sspqa.htm)

Jeremy Hartings from New Orleans, LA
What are the windows in the space shuttle made out of? The windows on the Space Shuttle are actually made out of aluminum silicate glass and fused silica glass. The orbiter windows are actually three different panes, there's an interior pressure pane because the pressure inside the orbiter is a lot higher than it is in the vacuum of space. We also have an optical pane that's installed in the middle that's about three and a half inches thick and on the outside, there's a thermal pane that protects the inside of the cockpit from the high heats of ascent and reentry. There are six forward-looking windows, three on the CDR (Commander) side and three on the PLT (Pilot) side. There are two overhead windows that the crew out of especially when docking to the Space Station they're using those windows to watch the orbiter approach the Space Station. And then there are two windows on the aft that look into the payload bay, and depending on our hatch configuration on the inside, there can be anywhere from one to two additional windows, they're small holes that are installed inside the hatches so you can look through hatch windows. And the side hatch, the emergency egress hatch, has a small hatch window as well. They're all made of the same materials. The forward windows - the ones that the crew actually uses for ascent and entry - are the ones we have to take really good care of in order to maintain the optical quality of them.

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Are you calling me a liar?

I never said the "Space Certification" was from NASA.
Why do you attack me like that for no reason?

BTW... this product is not a window.

[Michael Larson]

Relax John.

People are just being skeptical.

It's our nature not to be completely trusting.

Too much stuff has come down the pike already that just didn't pan out.

He does make the point that the most savings can be gained by homes with heavy cooling needs and lots of sun exposed glass.

I wonder if there would be any savings in colder climates.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Relax John.

People are just being skeptical.

It's our nature not to be completely trusting.

Too much stuff has come down the pike already that just didn't pan out.

He does make the point that the most savings can be gained by homes with heavy cooling needs and lots of sun exposed glass.

I wonder if there would be any savings in colder climates.

I am relaxed and to the point. If someone wants to call me
a liar, then please base it on facts. I never get mad, I just
get to the point. Say what you mean and mean what you say.

This radiant barrier has been proven in cold climates to save
over 50% of some people's heating cost. It can be turned
the opposite directions to keep the heat inside the house
and to stop the flow of heat going out the windows.

It has been sold in Canada for 7 years now, in limited areas,
and has been proven to work well, even in cold climates.

In the hot climates, the radiant barrier is turned in a direction
to stop the heat from entering the windows.

[John McKenna]

I have a certain advantage because I have been looking into this product
for several months. I traveled to Canada and have seen it first hand
in commercial and residential settings. I have measured the temperatures
and know it works. It is very durable and not just some cheap material
that will fall apart with children banging on it.

This is why I am staking my reputation on this product and those who
represent the company. I feel it will be a good source of income to
those who want to market it during energy audits.

[Jason Kaylor]

Actually John, I already know of similair products that do work, as I am sure this one does. I know of a company here locally that puts a very comparable product on windows to decrease cooling costs here in the desert. They wanted me to come out and do a before and after using infrared. I didn't want to mess with the glass issues and infrared so we ended up just painting the whole thing flat black for one test and covered in black vinyl for another.

It just seems to me some of the marketing behind it is a little cheesy, kind of funny really. Space certified? What is that exactly. Now a days we are about the only country going to space, so who is the certifier exactly? I am pretty sure NASA does 100% of our space operations in the USA, so space certified is NASA? dunno. The 50% savings seems a little extreme, but maybe it does. I know that BPI, Resnet, and Energy Star (DOE and EPA) estimate upwards of 30% savings on energy costs with proper upgrades that do not include solar and geothermal. It seems to me if a simple window covering would save consumers 50% the DOE would be promoting it more. Just my 2 cents.

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[David Sorge]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

I noticed that ever since you asked me if I would let you teach my class, that you have set out to attack me because I said no.

Every once in a while when you're least expecting it... food tastes better, the birds chirp louder, the sun shines brighter, and suddenly the whole world makes more sense.

[David A. Andersen]

Are you calling me a liar?

I never said the "Space Certification" was from NASA.
Why do you attack me like that for no reason?

BTW... this product is not a window.

Go John, Go!
Go after all of us that are making a scientific evaluation of your obviously "Bogus" "make me some money through NACHI scheme!

I say this, because you can't seem to answer a question, as you claim I am not doing.

People are just being skeptical.

Did we not see two occations this year where we were dooped?!
An HVAC unit that defies the laws of physics?

I have a certain advantage

Yes, because you are going to sell us under the table!?

$3k on a 3 brm house...
What is your take?
How can a homeowner recover this cost (Whatever it is).
You won't disclose the facts of the program. We must email you and join the gang.

Any of us that attented a real school knows that radiant transfer is one of the lowest thermal losses in the building unless it is 90% glass on the south and west exposures. Then we must determine the length of exposure (see the video, it states this).

So now your damning us for "asking". You put credibility into your program by using a "Space Program" ( Not NASA) and TA&M!?

On the flip side your damning Jason, who likely has forgotten more than you know! But hay, He ain't no Home Inspector!

Yes there is a program for this thermal barrier application, but at this point I will say that your just twisting the world of facts to your program. Come straight with us John.

You keep asking for facts...

Well, if anyone was inclined to look into your background on this borad, they would find the facts that you took one Building Science course from Flir (good choice).
You purchased a Flir BCAM (another good choice).
Then, you started a Basic IR Training course with NACHI (good choice).
Then you started selling cameras with your IR course???!!!
Then your selling window blinds???!!!
You taught the guy selling this program!?

I can't get hold of anyone in the blind company (big flag)!
We have to go through YOU (another big flag)!

You attack everyone here that you think "knows more than you".
Well Sir, you think that a few loud mouth supporters that are fueling your fire are keeping you afloat. The Reality is that there are a huge majority of people (way more educated than I) whom do not post (but do read this BB) which I communicate with that think you are way outside your scope.

When any of you Thermographers out there go beyond the Home Inspection Scope, are you insured? Have you asked?
Those of you that advertise the ability of doing high voltage sub-station work etc. are you covered?

Ask.

It is because of the likes of Mr. McKenna that none of you wanting to escape the relm of Home Inspection with Ir, that your insurance premiums will be in the $3,600 range! Check it out.

In this case, selling radiant blinds is not in the scope of HI. What if your claims to save your client $$$ is not achieved? Do you expect insurance coverage from your professional liability provider?

Is Mr. John going to stand up for you in court and enlighten them with his vast knowledge of how qualitative guesses are far superior to quantitive scans?

I got a call on doing the electrical sub-stations in much of west Mississippi. I can't get reasonable IR insurance because the "Standards" have not been been established in the eyes of my insurance carrier. Why? Because of shortcuts being performed out there that are known by the ins co's. They don't pay attention to the millions of dollars we have saved major cooperations. One "Aw ****" kills 2 dozen "atta-boys".

Keep padding your pockets John, soon we will send you Washington to represent us, because it is a good opportunity.

Sorry if I busted anyone's bubble!

John, quit asking me for YOUR facts. You should already know them.
If you put your name on this, it's your baby!

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jkaylor

Actually John, I already know of similair products that do work, as I am sure this one does. I know of a company here locally that puts a very comparable product on windows to decrease cooling costs here in the desert. They wanted me to come out and do a before and after using infrared. I didn't want to mess with the glass issues and infrared so we ended up just painting the whole thing flat black for one test and covered in black vinyl for another.

It just seems to me some of the marketing behind it is a little cheesy, kind of funny really. Space certified? What is that exactly. Now a days we are about the only country going to space, so who is the certifier exactly? I am pretty sure NASA does 100% of our space operations in the USA, so space certified is NASA? dunno. The 50% savings seems a little extreme, but maybe it does. I know that BPI, Resnet, and Energy Star (DOE and EPA) estimate upwards of 30% savings on energy costs with proper upgrades that do not include solar and geothermal. It seems to me if a simple window covering would save consumers 50% the DOE would be promoting it more. Just my 2 cents.

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Since you do not know much about this product, I understand
your questions. There are some products that look similar, but are
not like this product in it's performance. I posted the space
certification so you could search it out. If you prefer to just scoff
at it, that is cool. This is a new product and will show it's stuff
as it grows. It was tested at A&M University, so I feel confident
it will stand the test of those who honestly evaluate it.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by dandersen

Go John, Go!
Go after all of us that are making a scientific evaluation of your obviously "Bogus" "make me some money through NACHI scheme!

What is bogus?

I say this, because you can't seem to answer a question, as you claim I am not doing.


Did we not see two occations this year where we were dooped?!
An HVAC unit that defies the laws of physics?

I don't know what your talking about? This product has
nothing to do with someone else's HVAC claims.

Yes, because you are going to sell us under the table!?

$3k on a 3 brm house...
What is your take?
How can a homeowner recover this cost (Whatever it is).
You won't disclose the facts of the program. We must email you and join the gang.

You ask how to get more info and I told you. I never said you
had to spend a dime or join anything. The average cost per
normal 3 bedroom house (including installation) is 3K-4K.
I am hiding nothing. Why attack me?

Please publish your net profit and all your deductions for us,
oh wait... that is non of my business.

Any of us that attented a real school knows that radiant transfer is one of the lowest thermal losses in the building unless it is 90% glass on the south and west exposures. Then we must determine the length of exposure (see the video, it states this).

Please provide proof from your real school.

So now your damning us for "asking". You put credibility into your program by using a "Space Program" ( Not NASA) and TA&M!?

I simply stated the facts. You accuse and mock me for what?

On the flip side your damning Jason, who likely has forgotten more than you know! But hay, He ain't no Home Inspector!

Oh my... I should not answer Jason's mocking, because you admire
the salesman who is now the expert on something that he said
he really does not know much about? He does not know the facts
of this product and has admitted that already. But if you look
to him as your teacher, then that is cool with me.

Yes there is a program for this thermal barrier application, but at this point I will say that your just twisting the world of facts to your program. Come straight with us John.

Provide proof and not just more attacks.

You keep asking for facts...

Well, if anyone was inclined to look into your background on this borad, they would find the facts that you took one Building Science course from Flir (good choice).

You purchased a Flir BCAM (another good choice).

Then, you started a Basic IR Training course with NACHI (good choice).

Then you started selling cameras with your IR course???!!!

Then your selling window blinds???!!!

You taught the guy selling this program!?

I can't get hold of anyone in the blind company (big flag)!
We have to go through YOU (another big flag)!

I am helping to promote the product. Many have already contacted
Brain and are now becoming distributors. If you have not figured
out how to contact Brain... I will help you.

Do you see conspiracies in everything?

You attack everyone here that you think "knows more than you".

If you attack me, then I answer. I give you the right to disagree.
I hope you allow me the same right. It would be silly for me to
agree with your attacks when they are baseless. You will have to
deal with it.

Well Sir, you think that a few loud mouth supporters that are fueling your fire are keeping you afloat.

I am not sure why you are now attacking my supporters and
calling them "loud mouths". If you need to go after someone,
you can just keep bashing me... I don't mind. Please leave
the others alone.


The Reality is that there are a huge majority of people (way more educated than I) whom do not post (but do read this BB) which I communicate with that think you are way outside your scope.

Nixon claimed that he had the backing of the silent majority also...

When any of you Thermographers out there go beyond the Home Inspection Scope, are you insured? Have you asked?

Yes. Next question.
These are stunning questions.

Those of you that advertise the ability of doing high voltage sub-station work etc. are you covered?

Who is advertising that? Your loosing it.

Ask.

It is because of the likes of Mr. McKenna that none of you wanting to escape the relm of Home Inspection with Ir, that your insurance premiums will be in the $3,600 range! Check it out.

My E&O insurance cost me less than $1000 and includes thermal
imaging. What are you talking about? Why are you talking down
to other inspectors now? Your tone sounds like you hold them in
contempt for some reason? Your starting to ramble with
disconnected thoughts.

In this case, selling radiant blinds is not in the scope of HI. What if your claims to save your client $$$ is not achieved? Do you expect insurance coverage from your professional liability provider?

The home inspector cannot sell radiant barriers. The energy auditor
can and help in the upgrading of the home. RESNET and the
State of Texas allows this, as do other states.

People will save money with this product. Your mileage will
vary, but it has been very impressive in the commercial and
residential buildings that it has been installed in so far.

Is Mr. John going to stand up for you in court and enlighten them with his vast knowledge of how qualitative guesses are far superior to quantitive scans?

Predictions of my demise are greatly exaggerated...

I got a call on doing the electrical sub-stations in much of west Mississippi. I can't get reasonable IR insurance because the "Standards" have not been been established in the eyes of my insurance carrier. Why? Because of shortcuts being performed out there that are known by the ins co's. They don't pay attention to the millions of dollars we have saved major cooperations. One "Aw ****" kills 2 dozen "atta-boys".

It's not my fault that no insurance company will cover you or
is not willing to work with you. That is a personal issue. Others
get coverage, so you may want ask how they did it.

Don't get frustrated, we all hit set backs.

Keep padding your pockets John, soon we will send you Washington to represent us, because it is a good opportunity.

I just try to feed my family and I hope you do as well.

Sorry if I busted anyone's bubble!

John, quit asking me for YOUR facts. You should already know them.
If you put your name on this, it's your baby!

You made the accusations, I just wanted to see if you could
back it up. If not, I am not worried about it.

Have a good one.

[Jason Kaylor]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

The home inspector cannot sell radiant barriers. The energy auditor
can and help in the upgrading of the home. RESNET and the
State of Texas allows this, as do other states.

People will save money with this product. Your mileage will
vary, but it has been very impressive in the commercial and
residential buildings that it has been installed in so far.

And there in lies one of the beautiful aspects of energy auditing. BPI and Resnet's standard of practice both say as long as you are forthright with the customer off the bat about the ability to do certain work or carry certain products you are fine.

Now here is my big question, and I have no idea what the answer is or will be. What happens when these states start passing bills to force an energy audit for a real estate transaction. So now you are a home inspector and an energy auditor. What happens shen you do the home inspection, then go out to your truck and put on your energy auditing atire. All of a sudden you can do (sub, refer, actually do) the improvements that only an hour ago you could not?

My guess would be (passing of more laws) that either you will not be able to do both on the same property, or the SOP from BPI/Resnet or via other laws the energy auditor will have the same limitations that home inspectors currently have.

And John, I never said the product didn't work. I just said I have seen similair products here locally. If your product truly does work, and I am not saying it doesn't, you need to approach the right people to get it listed as an incentive upgrade. Under the new stimulus bill they raised the cap from $500 to $1500 on window upgrades (30% of the upgrade). The guy I was referring to here locally got his product "certified", for lack of better terms. And the local power company reimburses the customer.

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[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jkaylor

And there in lies one of the beautiful aspects of energy auditing. BPI and Resnet's standard of practice both say as long as you are forthright with the customer off the bat about the ability to do certain work or carry certain products you are fine.

Now here is my big question, and I have no idea what the answer is or will be. What happens when these states start passing bills to force an energy audit for a real estate transaction. So now you are a home inspector and an energy auditor. What happens shen you do the home inspection, then go out to your truck and put on your energy auditing atire. All of a sudden you can do (sub, refer, actually do) the improvements that only an hour ago you could not?

Good point. At this time, in Texas, it appears the energy auditor
is looked upon as a single issue type of inspector. He is there
to analyze energy issues only, even though he looks at many
components and systems. A home inspection is defined as an
inspection of two or more systems. It is a fine line, but as
long as the energy auditor sticks to his narrow purpose, it
may remain a non-home inspection event.

My guess would be (passing of more laws) that either you will not be able to do both on the same property, or the SOP from BPI/Resnet or via other laws the energy auditor will have the same limitations that home inspectors currently have.

If I do both, I will not offer to work on the house.

And John, I never said the product didn't work. I just said I have seen similair products here locally. If your product truly does work, and I am not saying it doesn't, you need to approach the right people to get it listed as an incentive upgrade. Under the new stimulus bill they raised the cap from $500 to $1500 on window upgrades (30% of the upgrade). The guy I was referring to here locally got his product "certified", for lack of better terms. And the local power company reimburses the customer.

We have members of gov't and state level energy commissions
working with us on this issue.

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