New Fluke Ti32

[Chris Mayes]

Originally Posted by gromicko

We sell for so much less because the core purpose of www.InspectorOutlet.com isn't to make money. It's to make InterNACHI members money.

Non-members can die and go to hell. We have no duty to them, don't advertise to them, and refuse to sell to them.

This is difficult for some to understand initially.

Some things are pretty difficult to understand. I thought is John McKenna was providing HIS customers with cameras with HIS training through Infrared-Certifiable. What does Inspector Outlet or InterNACHI have to do with this?

[David Sorge]

Originally Posted by topher

Some things are pretty difficult to understand. I thought is John McKenna was providing HIS customers with cameras with HIS training through Infrared-Certifiable. What does Inspector Outlet or InterNACHI have to do with this?

I do believe that Infrared Certified is an I-NACHI logo. Which pretty much means that a vendor just trashed the association that they're trying "vend" to.

I think that's what we call in the business..."Un-smart"

[Chris Mayes]

Originally Posted by dsorge

I do believe that Infrared Certified is an I-NACHI logo. Which pretty much means that a vendor just trashed the association that they're trying "vend" to.

I think that's what we call in the business..."Un-smart"

If "we" includes those who approve of McKenna's un-ethical business practices, then I'm not really all that worried.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Non-members can die and go to hell. We have no duty to them, don't advertise to them, and refuse to sell to them.

Vendors who come on this forum (for free) and demand
that our members pay them thousands of dollars in marked
up prices is really the demonstration of RAPE.

I agree with Nick. Go to hell.

I don't sell IR cameras, but pass on the info to my students.
They save money and the dealers on this forum cry like
a baby.

Welcome to InterNACHI, where the members save money.
My last student save enough to go on a vacation to Hawaii

The thermal imaging vendors and educators are in a frenzy
as InterNACHI meets them head on and stops the RAPING
the of our members. Alleluia.

[Chris Mayes]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

I don't sell IR cameras, but pass on the info to my students.
They save money and the dealers on this forum cry like
a baby.

Yea John, you're in it for the "cause". rofl.

[David Sorge]

Originally Posted by topher

If "we" includes those who approve of McKenna's un-ethical business practices, then I'm not really all that worried.

"We" are the membership Einstein.

You're the CEO of a company and that's the way you act in front of your prospective customers in a public place?

How could a man in your position not understand the basics of PR and customer relations?

You can't be a CEO. You must just be the night janitor that stumbled onto the CEO's password. C'mon...fess up.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by topher

Yea John, you're in it for the "cause". rofl.

Please continue to attack the idea that those who provide
members with deeper discounts are some how immoral.
Your really making points... LOL...

Watch your sales drop like a rock.

[Chris Mayes]

I've said what I wanted to say.

Happy Selling!

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by topher

I've said what I wanted to say.

Happy Selling!

Contact me and we can work out a deal to help your sells.

[Nick Gromicko]

We get similar complaints from the schools about all our free, online, approved continuing education.

[Nick Gromicko]

I don't use my "Non-members can die and go to hell" line literally. I only use it to hammer home my point.

InterNACHI's sisters like www.InspectorOutlet.com are not in competition with tool companies. Inspector Outlet outright refuses to sell IR cameras to non-members.

InspectorOutlet, though legally a for-profit corporation, operates financially non-profit for the sole purpose of helping InterNACHI members and ONLY InterNACHI members.

[Jason Kaylor]

Originally Posted by gromicko

InterNACHI's sisters like www.InspectorOutlet.com are not in competition with tool companies. Inspector Outlet outright refuses to sell IR cameras to non-members.

Nick, I have watched other threads in other parts of your boards attacking you for some business practice (I wasn't even sure what they heck they were talking about). I don't even remember what it was. However I do remember thinking the posters were nuts. You never asked us for anything, we
voluntarily paid Nachi every month for advertisement. You never asked for a kick back and always seemed to have Nachi members first and formost in your thoughts and actions.

What does boggle me though are statements you make like this. You and I both know this is 100% not true. I cannot tell you how many people, mainly energy auditors not home inspectors, that we educate on infrared only to have you guys come in behind us and low ball the camera. If you google "Fluke TiR", a post made a long time ago by a member ranks extremely well. So when potential customers (not just ours, anyone selling a TiR) go to research the camera they find that post. They then read the boards, and find inspectoroutlet selling TiR's. So everything is fine and dandy, because after all we pay Nachi every month for advertisement, they would never under cut us. Plus they already agreeded contractually to another entity to only sell to their members. The problem is that usually isn't the case. The loop hole is, you give away a free membership with the camera, so now those people can become Nachi members. Which you can now fulfill your contractual obligations and only sell to your members.

The bottom line is, you are benefiting the consumer and your members. I do not see a flaw in that. My only issue is, you can do it without breaking a contractual obligation that you and I both know you agreed to, and signed! You could of also done this without undercutting your own sponsors.

On Monday we will test this "I only care about Nachi members getting the best deal possible theory".

If any of you buy one of these cameras before Monday (actually you can't anyway, they are not even out yet), you will be doing yourself a dis-service.

David if you really think this is all about selling cameras, you are way off. I know if you just read this thread that is how it appears, plus Chris is just frustrated and comes across very abrasive in his posts. He really is a very calm and composed person.

A better analogy would be for you to pay the yellow pages for an add, then the yellow pages starts up a home inspection business that only charges $99. Or another one would be for the yellow pages to only agree to give these $99 home inspections away to consumers that buy a full page add. You then later find out they use their white page affiliation and offer it to anyone listed in there (even that is a bad analogy).

And do you honestly think we are gougers for advertising the cameras at list? Go google any Fluke or FLIR infrared camera. Any guess why everyone advertises all the models at the same exact price? That is what happens when you are a man(woman) of your word, and that my friend is the real issue here! Do you think all those companies that advertise infrared cameras at the same price are gougers? Do you think we are gougers for fulfilling our contractual agreements? Go through the Ideal section on our site and compare us to anyone. The Knipex section, Makita, Bosch, you name it. We get very good pricing from manufactures and pass it on to the consumer, we are not gougers!

JJ

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jkaylor

Nick, I have watched other threads in other parts of your boards attacking you for some business practice. I don't even remember what it was. However I do remember thinking the posters were nuts. You never asked us for anything, we volentarily paid Nachi every month for advertisement. You never asked for a kick back and always seemed to have Nachi members first and formost in your thoughts and actions.

What does boggle me though are statements you make like this. You and I both know this is 100% not true. I cannot tell you how many people, mainly energy auditors not home inspectors, that we educate on infrared only to have you guys come in behind us and low ball the order. If you google "Fluke TiR", a post made a long time ago by a member ranks extremely well. So when potential customers (not just ours, anyone selling a TiR) go to research the camera they find that post. They then read the boards, and find inspectoroutlet selling TiR's. So everything is fine and dandy, because after all we pay Nachi every month for advertisement, they would never under cut us. Plus they already agreeded contractually to another entity to only sell to their members. The problem is that usually isn't the case. The loop hole is, you give away a free membership with the camera, so now those people can become Nachi members. Which you can now fulfill your contractual obligations and only sell to your members.

The bottom line is, you are benefiting the consumer and your members. I do not see a flaw in that. My only issue is, you can do it without breaking a contractual obligation that you and I both know you agreed to, and signed! You could of also done this without undercutting your own sponsors.

On Monday we will test this "I only care about Nachi members getting the best deal possible theory".

If any of you buy one of these cameras before Monday (actually you can't anyway, they are not even out yet), you will be doing yourself a dis-service.

JJ

You made agreements with me and never kept them. You
got what you wanted, at no charge, and I got nothing.

BTW... no one joins interNACHI by force. They join because
of the BENEFITS and SAVINGS they experience.

Did you think you have the right to demand control of
InspectorOutlet ? They (not interNACHI) sell tools for profit,
but at the same time, do it at savings for members.

If the vendors will not save the members money, then
what should we do?

That is the bottom line, correct? We do it for less and
somehow this is immoral?

Should we now tell all the members that we have decided
that it is more important for you to make profits than
for the members to save money?

[Jason Kaylor]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

You made agreements with me and never kept them. You
got what you wanted, at no charge, and I got nothing.

BTW... no one joins interNACHI by force. They join because
of the BENEFITS and SAVINGS they experience.

Did you think you have the right to demand control of
InspectorOutlet ? They (not interNACHI) sell tools for profit,
but at the same time, do it at savings for members.

If the vendors will not save the members money, then
what should we do?

That is the bottom line, correct? We do it for less and
somehow this is immoral?

Should we now tell all the members that we have decided
that it is more important for you to make profits than
for the members to save money?

What did I get at no charge from you John? I am lost. When we first started advertising here (at a charge), you asked me to help you sell training. I was not familiar with you, but your company name is infrared certified. I later found out that it is not what is considered "infrared certified". Yes I know yours is targeted for home inspectors, which is fine, and honestly from what I know you offer a great service for that trade. Unfortunately for us, your training wasn't a good fit because that isn't the bulk of our customers. So we normally go with other options.

Where the heck did I say anyone joined InterNachi by force. I said you give it away for free. I am not sure what kind of person would consider a free membership to an organization that can benefit them as "force".

John, you can twist what I said however you see fit. But you and I both know the rules that are behind advertisment & marketing of certain items. You have choosen to not obey those rules, which is your choice. Just as my previous post states, you are either a man of your word or you are not. There is no grey area, it is black and white.

However, your post does bring up a big question I have had for ahwile. If inspectoroutlet and InterNachi are not one in the same, why the heck do they have the same exact address?

JJ

[Jason Kaylor]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

Did you think you have the right to demand control of
InspectorOutlet

Just for the score card, look up above. You have one post that tells Chris to "watch his sales drop like a rock", and another that says to "contact you if he wants to increase his sales".

Who is demanding control?

On a side note, my x took off with my kids to TX, I would pay you handsomly if you can pull some TX strings and get her in control!