New Standards for Infrared Thermography

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by krichardson

It's becoming very apparant that you do not know what you're talking about. I would strongly suggest that you purchase a copy and READ it.

As far as my reports, I DO NOT need to prove anything to you! I'm making a point that you fail to realize. But, that's OK!!

It's a "GUIDE", so I reference it in my pre-inspection ageements for all my IR work. In addition, I have a beginning paragraph for my inspection reports that states I use it as a "GUIDE" to conduct my inspections.

What part of that do you not understand?

Kevin

OK... then we can conclude that you follow the ASTM to the degree you wish
and you call it a "GUIDE". The verbiage about ASTM makes you look
impressive, but we all know what your really doing. Don't get mad or you'll
tell us too much again.

Your doing just as I said from the beginning... I understand.

[Kevin A. Richardson]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

OK... then we can conclude that you follow the ASTM to the degree you wish
and you call it a "GUIDE". The verbiage about ASTM makes you look
impressive, but we all know what your really doing. Don't get mad or you'll
tell us too much again.

Your doing just as I said from the beginning... I understand.

What are you talking about?

Answer this....have you purchased a copy of the standard and actually read it?

DIRECT FROM C 1060 – 90: "1. Scope 1.1 This practice is a guide to the proper use of infrared imaging systems for conducting qualitative thermal inspections of building walls, ceilings, roofs, and floors, framed in wood or metal, that may contain insulation in the spaces between framing members."

Again, what part of that do you have a hard time grasping?

Kevin

[Kevin A. Richardson]

John,

I mean no disrepsect, but the scary part of this thread is that you are an "Instructor" of an IR training course.

Kevin

[Kevin A. Richardson]

Jim Seffrin,

Please accept my apologies for hijacking your thread. Any HI using IR techology owes it to themselves to take a look at the standards published by the Infraspection Institute.

Kevin

[John McKenna]

Yes I have a copy of ASTM C 1060 – 90, and have read it. I can pick
and choose parts of it and tell people I use the ASTM standard as a guide...
but I don't.

Why?

If I pick and choose the parts I like and you pick and choose the parts
you like, we can both claim to use the ASTM standards as a guide,
and yet produce two different reports. That is the problem with making
claims about ASTM that are not really accurate, but sound impressive.
Do I "follow" the standards or not? Or...do I choose the word "guide" so
I leave myself lots of room to wiggle around in? Should I choose to
follow 1/8 or 1/2 of the guide? Who knows?

So I would prefer to tell the public what I really do or not do, instead
of posturing with a good impression.

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by krichardson

What are you talking about?

Answer this....have you purchased a copy of the standard and actually read it?

DIRECT FROM C 1060 – 90: "1. Scope 1.1 This practice is a guide to the proper use of infrared imaging systems for conducting qualitative thermal inspections of building walls, ceilings, roofs, and floors, framed in wood or metal, that may contain insulation in the spaces between framing members."

Again, what part of that do you have a hard time grasping?

Kevin

The non mandatory appendix is the most interesting part to me.

[Kevin A. Richardson]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

Yes I have a copy of ASTM C 1060 – 90, and have read it. I can pick
and choose parts of it and tell people I use the ASTM standard as a guide...
but I don't.

What's the problem?

If I pick and choose the parts I like and you pick and choose the parts
you like, we can both claim to use the ASTM standards as a guide,
and yet produce two different reports. That is the problem of making
claims about ASTM that are not really accurate, but sound impressive.

The problem is that you somehow have it in your mind (from your previous posts) that I am pickng and choosing what to follow in the document. I'm not sure where you got that from as it's pretty straight forward.

Kevin

[Brian E. Kelly]

So Kevin does that mean you follow the non mandatory parts???

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by krichardson

The problem is that you somehow have it in your mind (from your previous posts) that I am pickng and choosing what to follow in the document. I'm not sure where you got that from as it's pretty straight forward.

Kevin

So you are ready to go on record then?

Do you conduct inspections and produce reports that follow every word of the
ASTM standards? You have reports to prove this?

[Kevin A. Richardson]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

So you are ready to go on record then?

Do you conduct inspections and produce reports that follow every word of the
ASTM standards? You have reports to prove this?

Give it a rest, John.....your back peddling.

Kevin

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by krichardson

Give it a rest, John.....your back peddling.

Kevin

No answer... good move.

OK... next.

[Kevin A. Richardson]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

No answer... good move.

OK... next.

There is no answer to give. There is no changing your mind or ways. Good luck in your endevours.

I refused to be bullied by you or anybody else. I know what I do in my own business, and I especially know how I write my own reports.

Again, very surprising that you call yourself an "Instructor"

Kevin

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

So Kevin does that mean you follow the non mandatory parts???

Here is the problem with what I would call spec-man-ship, to the uninitiated to quote some document sounds important. But if the document quoted leaves wiggle room, many times the wiggle room is not delineated adequately.

That being said, Kevin I am sure that you provide a fine service and report for your clients. I was just wondering how much of the referenced guide you were using?

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by krichardson

There is no answer to give. There is no changing your mind or ways. Good luck in your endevours.

I refused to be bullied by you or anybody else. I know what I do in my own business, and I especially know how I write my own reports.

Again, very surprising that you call yourself an "Instructor"

Kevin

You ask me questions and I answer. I do not see that as you trying to bully me.
I ask you questions and you feel bullied... ?

Read Mr Kelly's comments and answer him. He is a much nicer person than me
and I'm sure you will feel less bullied by him.

BTW... this is my nice side. I'm really trying to be gentle with you.

[Kevin A. Richardson]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

Here is the problem with what I would call spec-man-ship, to the uninitiated to quote some document sounds important. But if the document quoted leaves wiggle room, many times the wiggle room is not delineated adequately.

That being said, Kevin I am sure that you provide a fine service and report for your clients. I was just wondering how much of the referenced guide you were using?

Well, I'm using the whole document.

Are you involved in thermography? Do you own an IR camera or offer IR services to your clients?

Kevin