New Standards for Infrared Thermography

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by krichardson

John,

Look you can try and pick apart my business all day, but this is not about me. It's about YOUR mis-information. And, the fact that you are putting down people who have been in the IR industry for over 20 years. I think they know a bit or two about guidlines and standards.

Kevin

That is some of the trouble indeed. People keep thinking they need to take
a course that the ASNT certified for non-inspectors over 10 years ago.
Then inspectors come back later and ask why no one warned them.

I know people inside FLIR-ITC who have the same convictions I do
about the need to get some updated information to the public and stop
repeating outdated sales pitches when selling to the emerging market
of the building-inspector community.

I do indeed think outside the box.

I noticed you have not corrected any of my FACTS.

[Kevin A. Richardson]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

My point is not to discredit you Kevin, I am sure by reading your posts you offer all of your clients an excellent service.

My point is people should be very carefull when mentioning any specifications/guidelines/standards and be sure when referencing such standards that all the I's are crossed and the T's dotted.

I think you meant all I's are dotted and T's are crossed.

I appreciate your concerns.

Kevin

[John McKenna]

Kevin... you are a good IR inspector and a fine person. I enjoy the banter.

Kelly... when are you going to get an IR camera? You need to get Dale to
buy you one...LOL... lets see how long it is before Dale reads this.

[Kevin A. Richardson]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

That is some of the trouble indeed. People keep thinking they need to take
a course that the ASNT certified for non-inspectors over 10 years ago.
Then inspectors come back later and ask why no one warned them.

I know people inside FLIR-ITC who have the same convictions I do
about the need to get some updated information to the public and stop
repeating outdated sales pitches when selling to the emerging market
of the building-inspector community.

I do indeed think outside the box.

I noticed you have not corrected any of my FACTS.

I wasn't aware that you posted ANY facts.

Kevin

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by krichardson

I wasn't aware that you posted ANY facts.

Kevin

From post 84

The ASTM and ASNT standards are not mandated by any HI association or
state that I know of. They are not followed by you either. You have read them
but have not followed them as a standard (only a general guide).

The ASNT has never certified an IR course for home inspectors. The ASTM
has some IR standards written, but what HI association or state mandates them
for doing a home inspections? None.

My statements are fact.

[Kevin A. Richardson]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

From post 84

I'm done debating....you should stick to your disclaimer on your signature.

"This post is for information only and does not reflect professional advice."

Kevin

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by krichardson

I'm done debating....you should stick to your disclaimer on your signature.

"This post is for information only and does not reflect professional advice."

Kevin

I think you said you were done several times so far... can't stand it can ya?
I'll be here is you think of something witty.

[Kevin A. Richardson]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

I think you said you were done several times so far... can't stand it can ya?
I'll be here is you think of something witty.

Well, the last time you and I (me and you) debated on a thread it was a friday night, and I missed HDNet Friday Night Fights.

So, while I find debating with you fun, I must bid you farewell. I'm off to watch some fights.

Kevin

[John McKenna]

Goodnight.... try to resist the itch to post one more time ...

[Ray Peacock]

Just a few points of interest about standards in the real world and Infraspection's standards.

1. They are not free.

ASTM Standards documents are not free, nor are ISO standards, nor ANSI standards, nor, in fact, is the National Electrical Code used by electricians,

Why would you think Infraspection should even consider offering their standards at no cost?

2. Standards are written by a variety of methodologies worldwide.

I have been involved with ASTM since 1980 and an ISO/IEC Working Group since 2002 and have experienced several different standards creation processes.

3. I have known Infraspection since 1987 and know they work very hard to help educate users and recommend best practices in all their writings, training programs and conferences.

They are the oldest and one of the best, in my experience, in Infrared Thermography education.

Their guides, and now their standards, are created by their own process based on their expertise and willingness to help the infrared thermography users community work to the best and most understandable methods that they know work.

Ray Peacock
(G. Raymond Peacock)
ASTM Fellow
Pubisher & Editor
Measurement Media Division
Temperatures.com, Inc.
Southampton PA USA

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by Ray Peacock

Just a few points of interest about standards in the real world and Infraspection's standards.

1. They are not free.

ASTM Standards documents are not free, nor are ISO standards, nor ANSI standards, nor, in fact, is the National Electrical Code used by electricians,

Why would you think Infraspection should even consider offering their standards at no cost?

2. Standards are written by a variety of methodologies worldwide.

I have been involved with ASTM since 1980 and an ISO/IEC Working Group since 2002 and have experienced several different standards creation processes.

3. I have known Infraspection since 1987 and know they work very hard to help educate users and recommend best practices in all their writings, training programs and conferences.

They are the oldest and one of the best, in my experience, in Infrared Thermography education.

Their guides, and now their standards, are created by their own process based on their expertise and willingness to help the infrared thermography users community work to the best and most understandable methods that they know work.

Ray,

Which standards of practice should the home inspection industry use, ASTM, ISO,
ANSI, ASNT, or Infraspection's? and why?

Are you a home inspector?