Next INFRARED CERTIFIED CLASS

[John McKenna]

Next INFRARED CERTIFIED CLASS

Jan 8 - 9, 2011 (16 hours)
Class available by internet or by toll free teleconference.

[Stephen W. Stanczyk]

John, You are killing me with a 6am start here on the West Coast.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by sstanczyk

John, You are killing me with a 6am start here on the West Coast.

Yes... but you get off at 3pm for your afternoon nap...

[James A. Levy]

Too bad...I wanted to gift away to another member the class I won at the Christmas party. I was told no it was not transferable....as if it matters who takes it.

[Christopher Currins]

Here is a cheaper, and probably as effective, way to become IR Certified.

Take both video IR courses which is ten hours and the the written green course is 8 hours
totaling 18 hours, which is acceptable for this requirement.


Current Requirements: (subject to change) for professional designation and logo usage:

1. You or your inspection company must own, lease or be renting an infrared camera.
2. You must be a member in good standing of InterNACHI. Membership requirements are at: http://www.nachi.org/membership.htm
3. You must complete InterNACHI's online Electrical course (free), including all quizzes within, and pass its final exam.
4. You must complete InterNACHI's online Plumbing course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
5. You must complete InterNACHI's online Roofing course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
6. You must complete InterNACHI's online HVAC course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
7. You must complete InterNACHI's online Structural course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
8. You must complete InterNACHI's online Exterior Inspection course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
9. You must complete InterNACHI's online Attic, Insulation, Ventilation and Interior Inspection course (free), including all the quizzes within and pass its final exam.
10. You must complete InterNACHI's online Moisture Intrusion Inspection course (free), including all the quizzes within and pass its final exam.
11. You must complete InterNACHI's online Energy Audit course (free), including all the quizzes within and pass its final exam.
12. You must take at least 16 hours (two days) of Continuing Education devoted to infrared cameras/thermal imagery or building science in addition to the online courses required for InterNACHI membership and the courses listed above.

[ldapkus]

Originally Posted by ccurrins

Here is a cheaper, and probably as effective, way to become IR Certified.

Take both video IR courses which is ten hours and the the written green course is 8 hours
totaling 18 hours, which is acceptable for this requirement.


Current Requirements: (subject to change) for professional designation and logo usage:

1. You or your inspection company must own, lease or be renting an infrared camera.
2. You must be a member in good standing of InterNACHI. Membership requirements are at: http://www.nachi.org/membership.htm
3. You must complete InterNACHI's online Electrical course (free), including all quizzes within, and pass its final exam.
4. You must complete InterNACHI's online Plumbing course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
5. You must complete InterNACHI's online Roofing course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
6. You must complete InterNACHI's online HVAC course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
7. You must complete InterNACHI's online Structural course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
8. You must complete InterNACHI's online Exterior Inspection course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
9. You must complete InterNACHI's online Attic, Insulation, Ventilation and Interior Inspection course (free), including all the quizzes within and pass its final exam.
10. You must complete InterNACHI's online Moisture Intrusion Inspection course (free), including all the quizzes within and pass its final exam.
11. You must complete InterNACHI's online Energy Audit course (free), including all the quizzes within and pass its final exam.
12. You must take at least 16 hours (two days) of Continuing Education devoted to infrared cameras/thermal imagery or building science in addition to the online courses required for InterNACHI membership and the courses listed above.

That's funny Chris.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by ccurrins

Here is a cheaper, and probably as effective, way to become IR Certified.

Take both video IR courses which is ten hours and the the written green course is 8 hours
[COLOR=#ff0000]totaling 18 hours, which is acceptable for this requirement.

This course indicates it is non-certification

http://www.nachi.tv/infrared/introdu...ermography.htm

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by mlarson

This course indicates it is non-certification

http://www.nachi.tv/infrared/introdu...ermography.htm

Hey, come on! There's a Certificate of Completion to add to the stack!!

[Sean Fogarty]

Originally Posted by mlarson

This course indicates it is non-certification

http://www.nachi.tv/infrared/introdu...ermography.htm

Funny, I asked the same question and the answer was yes. Straight from the horses mouth..
http://www.nachi.org/forum/f58/would...ication-56016/

[Russell J. Hensel]

Originally Posted by sfogarty

Funny, I asked the same question and the answer was yes. Straight from the horses mouth..
http://www.nachi.org/forum/f58/would...ication-56016/

Answers subject to change. DUH! Come on you should know that by now!

[Nick Gromicko]

There is no conflict. The course, any course for that matter (ALONE) does not get you Infrared Certified, it only gets you a course certificate of completion.

Requirements to earn the Infrared Certified professional designation are at www.nachi.org/ir.htm

If there is anything confusing about the requirements listed at www.nachi.org/ir.htm , let me know.

[John McKenna]

You must take at least 16 hours (two days) of Continuing Education devoted to infrared cameras/thermal imagery or building science in addition to the online courses required for InterNACHI membership and the courses listed above. http://www.nachi.org/ir.htm

I made the video course and it clearly states it is a "non-certification" class. It was intended to be an introduction ONLY (as the title states).

The minimum requirement is a 16 hour (two day class) and is suppose to be about "infrared cameras/thermal imagery and building science" (not a green course or short little videos that only give a brief introduction overview).

Since I was one of the creators of both the brief IR video and the full 16 hour IR certification class, I can tell you that there is no comparison in the amount of details and needed instructions for IR.

Why would someone want to scam the system (just for a logo) and not learn the needed skills to do a home inspection IR scan? InterNACHI set up the requirements, that are geared for our industry, to help people learn.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jlevy1

Too bad...I wanted to gift away to another member the class I won at the Christmas party. I was told no it was not transferable....as if it matters who takes it.

Anyone can "pass" and give the prize to another member during the time that Nick hands out the gifts. I have done that several times myself. If someone takes the gift, and then is processed into the enrollment of our class (and given access to all the class material), they cannot turn around and hand the prize to others after they are enrolled. Sorry. There is a time for everything. There is still time for you to take the class you enrolled for, if you like. Nothing has been taken from you and it is still yours. Simply show up for class, the door is still open.

[Brandon Clark]

I don't know why so many folks give John such a hard time for charging $500 bucks for a two day introductory level Infrared Course?

If your planning on joining InterNachi (like I was) and your plannning on ever getting into IR (which everybody will sooner or later) or have just gotten into IR than it's a no-brainer! The free $250 InterNachi membership drops the course down to $250 bucks for 2 full days of IR introduction and discussion.

Everybody has to start somewhere. The class is an entry level class but good discussions do come up amongst the group and everybody WILL learn something. All these online InterNachi courses are great but there's no discussions, bouncing ideas off each-other, hearing and learning from others mistakes, more in-depth explanations if you need them, etc...

Most Infrared Inspectors want consider doing a 3 hour inspection for less than $300 bucks but rip john to pieces for charging $500 for a two day course that offers 3 times that in savings and benefits.

There is a HUGE need for a cheap introductory level IR class. Inspectors who are undecided on weather or not they want to get involved with IR need a cheap intro class vs. having to spend $1600 bucks for a Level 1 course. After taking John's cheaper intro course, should they decide they want a camera, their $500 will be more than returned via InterNachi IRCertified equipment discounts along with the option of obtaining Level 1 training for $800 bucks.

I'm not some huge John fan or long-time friend considering I've only spoken to him before and during the class nearly a year ago but I never saw anything but benefits come from taking the class.

The only thing I might not agree with is the whole "Infrared Certified" concept but it's not really any different than the "Certified Home Inspector" concept. The good home inspectors continue to seek advanced training long after becoming an InterNachi Certified Inspector. The good IR inspectors will do the same but for alot cheaper after taking the InterNachi beginner class.

I guess I'm just wondering what john is doing wrong?

Should there not be any form of cheap intro level IR training?

Is he charging to much for what the class provides the student in return?

Should the name be changed to "InterNachi Infrared Certified"?

I'm not trying to argue with anyone's opinion because I believe we are all entitled to our opinions. None of us are really right or wrong considering they are our personal opinions.

I'm just curious about other folks opinion of what John is doing wrong?

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by bclark3

I don't know why so many folks give John such a hard time for charging $500 bucks for a two day introductory level Infrared Course?

I think it has to do with some of us having observed, first hand, how the "instructor" went from buying his first camera and NOT being Level 1 trained or certified to (within a matter of a few short weeks) writing a course and sharing his instant "expertise" with others for $500 a pop.

It's nice that you got something out of it, but from your description of the value of the course as being introductory it would appear that the only thing a graduate would actually be "certified" to do is to buy a camera.