Show and Tell Time

[Brian E. Kelly]

Show me this can of Liquid Air???????

Sure it wasn't 1,1-Difluoroethane?

[rbibler]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

Show me this can of Liquid Air???????

Boy thats a loaded question. from some one that pointed out

in post 42

quote] bkelly I don't have an IR camera, and can not see what you keep babbling on about.

Or, who cares? quote]


I saw you web site. you are tied to a termite company.? Phoenix, AZ

Are you the type of guy that would take my information posted on this web site. and run with it as it was your idea?

I posted this information for others to learn from my studies. as we all want to help each others.

But you come off...I'm sorry if I'm wrong. but you come off like a jerk looking for your own gain.

( Show me this can of Liquid Air??????? )

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Ron

[Michael Larson]

Ron,

It's a simple question and I also want to see this can of "liquid air"

[rbibler]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Ron,

It's a simple question and I also want to see this can of "liquid air"

I agree it is a simple question. Just the aditude it was ask was wrong...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZQW7v0pXZ4

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Ron

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by rbibler

I agree it is a simple question. Just the aditude it was ask was wrong...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZQW7v0pXZ4

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Ron

That is it? Not liquid air but thanks.

Cheaper buying a paintball can but each to their own.

[rbibler]

Mr Kelly I saw you post before you pulled it...

Dude you are a JERK...

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Ron

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by rbibler

Mr Kelly I saw you post before you pulled it...

Dude you are a JERK...

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Ron

And you are an Idiot, feel better??

Nice to see you get to the name calling part of your Procedure.

[rbibler]

Fact are facts... This method can be repeated over and over and over. and that is a fact. This is the main test for anything of Science.

I was happy to share this information with the members on InterNACHI.
In hopes of helping other inspectors and any younger inspector gain new information. As I have been helped over the years by other before me.

I am sorry that the most important part of this post has gone sideways...

Let the facts stand. This test works. Its a fact. I use this method in my Company with excellent results...

As for Mr. Kelly please stay off any of my post and I will do the same.
P.S. You also buy cans of liquid air at office depot.

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Ron

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by rbibler

OK I have a very nice FLIR B2 Camera I can sell you for $ 3,500

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Ron

Having normal eyesight, I can see Liquid Air without an IR camera. Not only that I but I also know the difference between CO2, Liquid Air, and Difluoroethane. Funny you mentioned science at all Ron.

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[Peter Doane]

Originally Posted by jmoore5

pdoane,

He turned the can upside down so it blew out the liquid from the can into the termite tract not the air like you would use to blow dirt off your camera lense. What he showed was the cold liquid blowing out the hole .

Infrared will show the effects of HVAC air leakage due to the cooling/heating of the exposed insulation surface, wall or whatever is near by.

If its liquid (in the can) and "air" when injected into the termite tract,.. i.e. released from the can.... how does it return to a liquid state spraying out of the floor?? The room didn't re compress it?

[rbibler]

The type of product used is not the main point. be it compressed air, co2
or a small can of dust-off that contains Difluoroethane or any other type of air gas or even cold water. Its the very cold temps that these products produce that provide us the strong Delta T. If you inject these products into a void of a board excavated by dry-wood termites Then with The IR Camera you will be able to see the voids within the boards. From the center point of injection extending out. With the IR Camera can you see these product react inside the voids of a board and the little bit that bubbles out of the injection hole...The fountain we see in the original IR images.

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Ron

[Peter C. Russell]

Ron, I'm no termite expert but if you can see where the termite's are tunneling why do you need to inject it with cold air and take an IR picture of it?

Isn't it obvious enough to recommend extermination?

[rbibler]

Originally Posted by prussell

Ron, I'm no termite expert but if you can see where the termite's are tunneling why do you need to inject it with cold air and take an IR picture of it?

Isn't it obvious enough to recommend extermination?

Thats a good understanding Peter.
Extermination is one part of a termite inspection. The ID Of any damage is another part of the inspection.

This method can help us see just how much damage the Dry-wood termite has done to a board.

If its a section of hard wood flooring as we I have in these images posted. Then the damage to the flooring could be enough for a lady to get a shoe heal stuck in the floor. that could be enough to be a trip hazard. or a piano leg to sink into a floor.

Or if we were looking at a load baring support.
Injecting the timber may show that the Dry-wood termites have excavated enough that the Support member needs to be replaced due to the damage done to the insides of the board.

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Ron

[Peter C. Russell]

Originally Posted by rbibler

Thats a good understanding Peter.
Extermination is one part of a termite inspection. The ID Of any damage is another part of the inspection.

This method can help us see just how much damage the Dry-wood termite has done to a board.

If its a section of hard wood flooring as we I have in these images posted. Then the damage to the flooring could be enough for a lady to get a shoe heal stuck in the floor. that could be enough to be a trip hazard. or a piano leg to sink into a floor.

Or if we were looking at a load baring support.
Injecting the timber may show that the Dry-wood termites have excavated enough that the Support member needs to be replaced due to the damage done to the insides of the board.

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Ron

I guess it makes it easier to get bids from contractors. For example the homeowner will know exactly how many pieces of hardwood flooring need to be replaced and the contractor can bid accordingly.

Or a contractor who owns a camera can beat out the competition by using the camera to be more precise on his bid rather than saying, " we'll know how bad it is when we rip it apart.

Nice idea, I may try it on rot. We don't see termites up here very often, mostly carpenter ants.

[Mark Easter]

Originally Posted by pdoane

If its liquid (in the can) and "air" when injected into the termite tract,.. i.e. released from the can.... how does it return to a liquid state spraying out of the floor?? The room didn't re compress it?

As the CO2 warms from the liquid state, it expands by approximately a factor of 100. It's a CO2 vapor stream (still colder than ambient), ejecting from the hole. It's a gas, that's whay Ron said you can't see it (except maybe around the edges) w/out IR.

Some on this thread treated Ron rudely.

Many times posts on a thread come across more sharply worded and more obtuse than intended. If been called on it myself.