Ti32

[Travis Juliussen]

Originally Posted by rhensel

Does this make sense and does it answer your question?

Perfectly! Thanks again!

[Jason Kaylor]

Originally Posted by rhensel

I went with the R because it is more geared to an inspectors point of view. I had the Fluke Ti45 and it was way overkill. I did not need a camera to go up to like 2000 degrees. I like the way a R is more balanced temperature wise. believe it or not the Ti32 is geared more for electrical, motors and high temperature apparatus. I use mine mainly for moisture intrusion so the temps are relatively close and small differences. So my scale is about 10-15 degrees on the imager. While a Ti32 is more WIDE range and may miss the small temperature differentials. Does this make sense and does it answer your question?

Russ,

You can set the scale to whatever you want it to be, with either camera. If you were to set the Ti32 to 0 to 150C you would essentially have the same camera. The TiR32 has a low temp alarm and the Ti32 has a high temp alarm. The TiR32's minimum span is 3.6F in manual mode and 5.4F in auto. The Ti32 is 4.5F manual and 9F in auto. Just for comparison sake, the TiR1 which is an amazing building diagnostics camera is also 4.5F in manual and 9F in auto. At the difference of .9F span, I am not even sure if the human eye could pick that up.

The Ti45 is a couple of generations ago, and was actually originally developed by Infrared Solutions before Fluke bought them. The Ti45 is absolutly the wrong camera for building diagnostics.

However, with the new cameras they have the same resolution and thermal sensitivity. In the past manufactures had either great thermal sensitivity with a low temp range or high temp range and not as good as thermal sensitivity. The cameras that did both were super expensive. I really think they are marketing two cameras from essentially the same detector because that is how they have marketed cameras in the past. I have a feeling in the next generation of cameras (beyond the TiR32 and Ti32) we will see the industrial camera and building diagnostics camera designations disappear. Just my opinion, but now a days they are essentially one in the same. I really feel as though you limit any future work in industrial and/or some commercial by limiting the temp range to just 150C.

What I was told by a Fluke engineer is that when detector cores are made they are never the same. I have heard stories of a company buying older Infrared Solutions Insight XLS cameras and testing them when they came in. Some of these cameras actually were down in the .2-.29C (20mk-29mk) thermal sensitivity range. He told me that the TiR32 will have the cores that test lower. Both cameras will always be .50C (50mk) or less no matter what, which is amazing thermal sensitivity.

So is the TiR32 better at building diagnostics? I guess, but by the slimmest of margins. Will you lose building diagnostics jobs or be limited in building diagnostics because you have a Ti32? Absolutly not. Will you lose industrial jobs or be limited in those applications because you have a TiR32? If it is over 150C you will.

JJ

[Chris Mayes]

Pictures. (cough, cough)

[Russell J. Hensel]

lmao............I am WORKING...........sheeeesh

[Chris Mayes]

Our demo camera should be showing up any day now. Will post pics the day it comes in. Your camera working Russell or your computer down?

[David P. Valley]

You basically have to do the comparison yourself and make the choice based on a wide multitude of factors. IR Camera users all have their reasons why they chose the camera that they purchased.

I won’t purchase any other IR camera but a Flir manufactured camera. Flir is a world renown camera manufacturer and their cameras are very well designed, come equipped in a cushioned military style case and they have all sorts of options to choose from. I’ve had my B-2 for three years now and I have never had issues with my IR camera. All new Flir cameras come with FREE Quickreport software. This is VERY good software for fine tuning your IR images and can be utilized for your IR report.

See "FLIR Vs. FLUKE" Comparison Chart...
FLIR VS. FLUKE PDF.pdf

The most important thing is...please do not to purchase an infrared camera off a spec sheet without seeing a demo of the IR camera you prefer. Contact Steve Chisholm at Flir. I’m pretty sure he can work out something for you.

Steve Chisholm
FLIR Systems, Inc
25 Esquire Rd
N Billerica, MA 01862 USA

Direct: 978 901 8866 | Fax: 978 901 8881 | Email: steve.chisholm@flir.com

www.flir.com

[Jason Kaylor]

Dave,

I seriously doubt a PDF made by FLIR or a FLIR rep is going to give a non-bias decision on infrared equipment.

JJ

[David P. Valley]

Originally Posted by jkaylor

Dave,

I seriously doubt a PDF made by FLIR or a FLIR rep is going to give a non-bias decision on infrared equipment.

JJ

Hey JJ,

Where did I state that a Flir rep. would give an opinion.

Wake up.

I stated "Contact Steve Chisholm at Flir. I’m pretty sure he can work out something for you."

If you can't comprehend that, then you must have issues with comprehension.

[Dan Bowers, CMI]

I gotta say I agree 100% with David - Compare Cameras.

I did for 3 months .... I wanted to keep my costs under $7,500. I wanted good resolution in the Field where I was working with it (NOT especially back in the office fiddling with a computer). I have 2 lap-tops, 2 office desk-tops and a tablet. I wanted to use software on all WITHOUT paying extra to do it.

I narrowed my choice down to either the Flir B-50 or B-60 and the Fluke TiR1.

I went to 3 trade shows and wheedled the Camera Reps into letting me play with both the Flir & Fluke OVERNIGHT in my motel room.

When I got home I contacted both Mfg's and they sent Rep to see me. I got to keep both cameras for 1-2 days and use in the field.

Bottom line - I preferred the Flir's smaller size and weight; I preferred the battery changing capability of the Flir; I negotiated with 6 companies on price and got both cameras for about $1,000 less that asking price.

I went to John McKenna's IR class in Boulder (Flirs were present); I talked to John Snell and Flir and took the Flir Level I course in KC (it was cheaper than Snells by $150 and in KC, so I didn't have to spend money traveling, etc). Our Flir Class had 8-9 different Flir Cameras present from B-60, B-2, B-400, up to the $40,000 ones.

End result - we went with the Fluke - better screen resolution hands down and I use the software on 5 computers with no extra fee as Flir told me I'd have to do, and I like Flukes software better than Flir's. I have decided I like the more many weight of the Fluke (in bar fights its a formidable club to swing; battery life is great; and REAL easy to use).

I'm saving my $$$$ to go to one of the Snell classes next year. Many of the guys that have taken both say that although both are good - Snells are better AND less directed to 1 brand of camera.

At 2 recent IR seminars I've been to I've had the ONLY Fluke in a room full of Flir's and had almost everybody there talk about how much better the Fluke's screen resolution is that than their Flirs.

Like David said - Compare then make your own decision.

[Chris Mayes]

Originally Posted by dvalley

Hey JJ,

Where did I state that a Flir rep. would give an opinion.

Wake up.

I stated "Contact Steve Chisholm at Flir. I’m pretty sure he can work out something for you."

If you can't comprehend that, then you must have issues with comprehension.

Haha, yea it's totally non-bias with the FLIR specs highlighted.

[Chris Mayes]

Look, they exist!!! See images here: http://www.nachi.org/forum/f58/ti32-pics-48512/

[ljansson]

well .. i just got my ups tracking number for my TiR32 ... should be here monday ...

[Travis Juliussen]

Thanks everyone for your replies! I just cracked open the box to my new Fluke TiR! Thanks to InspectorOutlet.com for a great price! I feel like a kid in a candy store!

Now where's the 'on' button?

[Nick Gromicko]

Go www.InspectorOutlet.com !

[Dan Bowden]

Congratulations! Now try not to drop it...

http://assets.fluke.com/thermalimagi...ml?trck=rugged