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Old 10/23/11, 11:06 PM
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Default Water intrusion case study.

Client, today, asked to find the source of water intrusion into a 3 unit condo (duplex up, duplex down with middle unit on one floor.

Split faced block, but the roof was sloped and there is usually little problems with split faced block with sloped roofs. But the front had a peaked front wall (brick veneer over block).

I could tell, just from the efflorescence and drip pattern.

1) Front view of the building. Please note that the 3rd level (above grade) had a small (4' wide) balcony above the 2nd level.
2) Peaked front face with a small flat parapet near the chimney chase. Note the efflorescence / drip pattern.
3) Interior regular picture at the interface of the sloped parapet coping to the flat coping.
4) IR image of #3.

Hope this helps;
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Old 10/23/11, 11:11 PM
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Secondarily. The front ceiling at the 2nd level displayed signs of water intrusion. Since the balcony for the 3rd level was above it, naturally the owners thought that the balcony roofing was the problem.

But it was not.

The space between the 2nd floor ceiling and the balcony had "Building Envelope Confusion" and condensation problems where it interfaced with the floor / ceiling space above the 2nd floor.

Check out the pictures.
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Old 10/25/11, 2:04 PM
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Nice catch Will



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Old 10/25/11, 4:41 PM
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Typical Chicago Polish contractor construction. Keeps us busy during the rainy periods.
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Old 10/25/11, 4:46 PM
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Actually an Irish masonry contractor. Many masons are hesitent to do through wall flashing on a sloped parapet, believing that the stone will fall off. Evidently, they don't teach pinning in Irish masonry schools.
It also seems like they don't teach building science in Architecture school either.

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Old 10/25/11, 11:25 PM
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Actually an Irish masonry contractor.

Irish masonry schools.

It also seems like they don't teach building science in Architecture school either.
Irish Masonry School
Which one are you suggesting?



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Old 10/26/11, 7:03 AM
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Irish Masonry School
Which one are you suggesting?
The nearest liquor store.
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Old 10/26/11, 7:24 AM
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Now Linus, play nice.



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Now Linus, play nice.
Oops sorry Will, I meant to say "Pub".
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Old 10/26/11, 10:16 AM
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Oops sorry Will, I meant to say "Pub".
That's better.



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Old 10/26/11, 10:31 AM
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To clarify my earlier post, with regards to "Irish Masonry School", this is what I meant.

In this area, there appears to be 4 different "schools" of masonry thought, i.e., I see things done in one of four different ways. I even see some masonry buildings that have two or more of these schools displayed (changed masonry contractors during the build).

Please note that the people who work according to these techniques are not, necessarily, members of these ethnic groups. Probably the result of who trained them and/or where they were trained (if they were actually, formally trained).

1) Italian - Good quality work, great for repairs on the older masonry buildings. Use fairly large aggigate sand for the mortar, but the motrar is not over sanded. Square of concave pointing. Great flashing detail.
2) Irish - Also good with regards to the mortar mix, but smaller aggrigate sand. Tend more towards pre-mixed mortar. Mostly good flashing and lintel / brick spaces left open. OK for flashing, but will not flash under parapet wall coping for sloped coping.
3) Polish - Good speed. Do not butter the ends of the brick before placing but have a "helper" follow behind them and point the head joints (check by placing screwdriver in the head joint and pressing. The joint usually collapses). Tend to grout the lintel / brick space and cover or cut the lintel flashing. Usually do not use end dams on lintel flashing. Don't flash under coping stones. Add more sand to pre-mixed mortars.
4) Similar to the polich school, except they caulk the lintel / brick area instead of mortaring it. They usually pull out the weep wicks before they caulk. Do not flash under copings, but always install weep wicks instead.

At least that has been my experience in the Chicago area.

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Will,
Could you get to the roof?
Would like to see a photo.
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Old 11/11/11, 11:40 PM
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the masonry facade is improperly installed
with lack of weeps and drainage

the problem is visibly evident...
the cam only confirms...

Without a Cam, would you report the exterior facade as deficient?
Hmmmm???



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the masonry facade is improperly installed
with lack of weeps and drainage

the problem is visibly evident...
the cam only confirms...

Without a Cam, would you report the exterior facade as deficient?
Hmmmm???
Visual inspection confirms it's evidently poor masonry construction, the cam confirms with colorful images, the moisture meter verifies it got inside. That's why some choose to do more with a thermal camera than just wave it around at a home inspection. Look at all the imagers for sale on this message board. Go figure!!! Hope this helps.
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Old 11/12/11, 12:24 PM
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I am amazed and appalled at the stereotypes professed within this thread as if they are somehow factual...



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