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Old 12/9/11, 5:27 AM
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I think another good point to add in regard to windows is the rating. Most MFG. rate the glass and not the window as a whole unit. So, you may have a new window with high rated glass but overall the R rating drops because of the frame. I wish this would be corrected but I doubt it ever will.

I often see new, expensive high end windows with significant air leakage around the jamb. Some of these windows are the type that are either aluminum or vinyl clad on the exterior and clear Douglas fir on the interior. These windows often have vinyl jambs with nylon cords attaching the sash to the balance system. They cost, in many cases, in excess of 800 per unit installed. These windows are usually installed plumb and square but still leak air where the sash slides up and down against the jamb and at the top and bottom where the sash meets the jamb.
This is more than likely a regional thing as I'm sure these windows would perform better in a warmer climate but not here in New England.

Unfortunately the only practical solution is to add a storm window which just added more cost to the retrofit and makes any possible ROI impossible.

Air sealing and insulation is always the best recommendation.



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Old 12/9/11, 7:53 AM
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ROI (Return on investment) for those that do not know what it means!
Yes Peter Russel many new windows are just not standing up to older style double pain and are installed without knowledge of bridging or separation of window from rough in opening.



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Old 12/9/11, 12:31 PM
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Bologo when to prision for 14 years trying to sell a senate seat. Obama and all other legislative cronnies would have sentences 10 times that; they all do it. Money is flowing worse than any waterfall or flood. Pelosi has so much dirt on Newt that she smiles when she thinks about it. They are all corrupt. Putting money in a green energy program is a waste, when energy might be saved, but consumers will not save any money when their utility costs increase, which they will.

We have more gasoline in storage than we can use, but the price increases. Now we have to sell gas to other countries. Same with utilities. It is all a scam to increase energy prices, and to save utility companies from investing in power plants.

What Joe said.



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Old 12/10/11, 12:21 PM
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Bologo when to prision for 14 years trying to sell a senate seat. Obama and all other legislative cronnies would have sentences 10 times that; they all do it. Money is flowing worse than any waterfall or flood. Pelosi has so much dirt on Newt that she smiles when she thinks about it. They are all corrupt. Putting money in a green energy program is a waste, when energy might be saved, but consumers will not save any money when their utility costs increase, which they will.

We have more gasoline in storage than we can use, but the price increases. Now we have to sell gas to other countries. Same with utilities. It is all a scam to increase energy prices, and to save utility companies from investing in power plants.

What Joe said.
Gary, I have been reading a lot of your opinions and I have come to the conclusion you are one of those "sky-is-Falling" type of individuals. As Donald Sutherland in the movie Kelly's Heroes said to Moriate, "stop with the negative vibes, man"...



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One of my favorite old movies....but it is negative "waves"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuStsFW4EmQ



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Old 12/10/11, 3:32 PM
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One of my favorite old movies....but it is negative "waves"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuStsFW4EmQ
oops, sorry about that, but still a good line...



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Old 12/10/11, 3:56 PM
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Yes it is....



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Just my virgo coming out. I'm just too realistic.



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Be upset as you may towards Obama. Billy is in on this one as well. I loved the 90s.

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After the Failures of Solyndra and Solzyme..
you would think politicos would find a new mantra.....

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