Episode 57 - Performing Your Best Inspection

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Jim, be honest....

Do you actually make and report this determination for each and every defect you uncover in each and every report?

Or do you lie when you tell your clients that you abide by the SOP that you tell your clients you abide by?

I do exactly what the SOP states....I recommend to the client that he correct, or that he monitor for future correction, the defects found in the report.

Look around your building...find a second or third grader...and have him help you to understand what these SOPs actually require. Maybe that will help.

Your interpretations are either conveniently false and intentionally misleading....or a result of a reading disorder....that I recommend that you correct, immediately.

[Nick Gromicko]

How about we permit our message board readers to do what a plaintiff's attorney will do and interpret it for themselves. This from ASHI's SOP:

2.2 Inspectors shall:
A. adhere to the Code of Ethics of the American Society of Home Inspectors.
B. inspect readily accesible, visually observable, installed systems and components listed in these Standards of Practice
C. report:
1. those systems and components inspected that, in the professional judgment of the inspector, are not functioning properly, significantly deficient, unsafe, or are near the end of their service lives.
2. recommendations to correct, or monitor for future correction, the deficiencies reported in 2.2C.1, or items needing further evaluation.

[dharris]

Originally Posted by gromicko

How about we permit our message board readers to do what a plaintiff's attorney will do and interpret it for themselves. This from ASHI's SOP:

Do you have better wording, if so, what are the readers comparing to?

[john bubber]

Originally Posted by john bubber

Hear ya Mr Bushart, the smart ones won`t. But quite a few do and apparently so do some HI ORG`s and others like Mr Ken on Nachi Tv, episode 54 around the 13:15 mark. Paint/apply whatever on inside block wall(s). http://www.nachi.tv/episode54 Then distributed some EDUCATIONAL fliers? And now a hero. LolOloolllL

Hey Ken, you want some real educational material on basement waterproofing,the Bubberman suggests you go to Nachi`s own structural board and click 'something else to chew on'....click those pictures and links written by Army Corps Engs,Yoder,Faifax County VA etc. That is, if you really wanna help inform people on this subject sir. Got Milk?

How about the Nachi apparently recommending their inspectors/chapters have the inside goofs come speak and fill em full of insider-chit-chat crap.
http://www.nachi.org/forum/f13/basem...meeting-22344/ What would Basement Systems want to speak about? Door knobs? Light bulbs? What kind of fingernail polish the old lady uses? How knowledgeable and honest Bubberman,Capizzo,EOF.Stremmy,Downriver Water`g is? I don`t think so.

Whats this homeowner say?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28992838@N07/2708000265/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2899283...n/photostream/
Still leaks, got mold?

How about another ORG...NAHI.
1st paragraph it sure appears they want the world to visit Basement Systems website. http://www.nahi.org/public/department76.cfm
Why sooo much azz kissin applied from HI ORG`s to their butts?
Whats going on? Incompetence? Friends,money changing hands?
Something smells just like the lady in that video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq66EA8aKy0

dang, i missed this event, Century aka Basement Systems
http://pa.nachi.org/pocono-northeastpa/event292.html

maybe Bubberman could listen in on next meeting. Is there free beer?
http://pa.nachi.org/pocono-northeastpa/event403.html

http://www.nachi.org/forum/f13/friday-13th-threatens-gle-international-association-certified-home-inspectors-chapter-event-8914/
Last paragraph... Craig C who does Bsmt waterproofing...
Or closer to home,Great Lakes chapter.... HomeSpec?
Homie does.......Home inspections.....AND Basement Waterproofing. LOL!
Talk about a freakin conflict of interest, r u people kidding?

They do inside systems,of course....just asked them on phone.
The install junk like the Beaver-Cleaver system which does NOT stop
freakin water from entering. Home inspections AND a supposed basement waterproofing expert? Speaking at Nachi chapter meetings.
http://activerain.com/homespec
When Johnny Bub says junk he means junk.
When Bubba says....Beavers R our furry friends, he don`t mean interior Beaver systems http://www.basementfix.com/index.html

http://www.basementfix.com/waterproof.html
Homeowner in Roseville MI got BS`D into this, had 2 walls bowing in,cracks all over,leaks,mold. Had da Beaver system put in and all it did was DIVERT 'some' water that continued to enter to 2 floor drains.

They tried to sell house,couldn`t...nobody gonna buy the piece of chtt w/walls bowing in,mold and crappy inside system etc....was a WASTE of MONEY,period!

[James H. Bushart]

Nick....I don't think the readers of your message board are as influenced by your desperate hate for ASHI as you are...that they will fabricate the same message from the SOP that you do.

We "mere home inspectors" know what we are talking about and know what we should and should not put in an inspection report. We do not need vending associations like iNACHI or others to read documents to us to know that the advice put forth in your videos is wrong.

Home inspectors should not...and most of us do not...recommend how to remedy a defect in our reports. It is wrong and it is wrong for you to suggest it. Just as your misinterpretation of another association's SOP is in error.

This is an issue that affects "mere home inspectors", anyway, and has nothing to do with iNACHI.

I refuse to join in with your self promoting hyperbolic arguments regarding how your association compares with others.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by dharris

Do you have better wording, if so, what are the readers comparing to?

Nick is having trouble reading the ASHI SOP.

He cannot tell the difference between what "recommending to correct" a defect means...and "recommending how to correct" a defect.

We are getting the "dumbed down" version of Nick until the spiked eggnog runs out, I suppose.

[Nick Gromicko]

From ASHI's SOP:

2.2 Inspectors shall:
A. adhere to the Code of Ethics of the American Society of Home Inspectors.
B. inspect readily accesible, visually observable, installed systems and components listed in these Standards of Practice
C. report:
1. those systems and components inspected that, in the professional judgment of the inspector, are not functioning properly, significantly deficient, unsafe, or are near the end of their service lives.
2. recommendations to correct, or monitor for future correction, the deficiencies reported in 2.2C.1, or items needing further evaluation.

ASHI says that you "SHALL REPORT" recommendations to correct, or monitor for future corrections the deficiencies reported in 2.2C.1, or items needing further evaluation.

2.2C.1 are those systems and components inspected that, in the professional judgment of the inspector, are not functioning properly, significantly deficient, unsafe, or are near the end of their service lives.

Uh, that means you have a determination to make on EACH and EVERY defect essentially. You have to determine whether your client should correct the defect, monitor the defect, or seek further evaluation. Uh, isn't that exactly why inspectors get sued? The client claims "The inspector failed to tell me to.... bla bla bla."

Why would you want to be a member of an association that requires you to determine that and report that determination for every freakin' defect?

Nuts.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

From ASHI's SOP:


ASHI says that you "SHALL REPORT" recommendations to correct, or monitor for future corrections the deficiencies reported in 2.2C.1, or items needing further evaluation.

2.2C.1 are those systems and components inspected that, in the professional judgment of the inspector, are not functioning properly, significantly deficient, unsafe, or are near the end of their service lives.

Uh, that means you have a determination to make on EACH and EVERY defect essentially. You have to determine whether your client should correct the defect, monitor the defect, or seek further evaluation. Uh, isn't that exactly why inspectors get sued? The client claims "The inspector failed to tell me to.... bla bla bla."

Why would you want to be a member of an association that requires you to determine that and report that determination for every freakin' defect?

Nuts.

LOL

Hopefully, Nick....(and, before you write too many more SOPs)...a NACHI confidant will explain to you, using the NACHI SOP, how home inspectors routinely record defects and how they recommend that the defect be corrected, or monitored, or further evaluated.

It's not that hard to understand, Nick.

Let go of the hate...open your mind...then read what home inspectors do. It will surprise you.

[dharris]

Uh, that means you have a determination to make on EACH and EVERY defect essentially. You have to determine whether your client should correct the defect, monitor the defect, or seek further evaluation. Uh, isn't that exactly why inspectors get sued? The client claims "The inspector failed to tell me to.... bla bla bla."

Nick.. What's another option

Why would you want to be a member of an association that requires you to determine that and report that determination for every freakin' defect?

Darned if I know.
Are you saying it's up the inspector to decide if a defect should be corrected, or not corrected??
To me if I don't make a recommendation on an identified defect, I am not providing the proper service to my customer.
Part of my SOP also states I am required to make sure my customer is properly informed about the property they are purchasing.

I guess a few good questions to ask would be..

Why do experienced inspectors choose to abide by those SOPs??

Why do a large percentage of your members, in states where they are not required to inspect to ASH's SOP, advertize that they inspect to ASHIs SOP??

If your standards are better, why aren't states using them??

Why do the real estate professionals recommend inspectors that inspect to those SOPs, over inspectors that choose to inspect to other SOPs??

[Nick Gromicko]

Jim writes:

how home inspectors routinely record defects and how they recommend that the defect be corrected, or monitored, or further evaluated.

The point isn't whether or not they do something or not. Heck, an inspector can give his/her client a dozen roses every time he finds a defect for all I care.

The point is that inspectors should not want to be in a position where they falsely advertise to the public (by belonging to an association that requires it) that they make these determinations for their clients and report these determination for each and ever defect that they find.

Would you rather do something you aren't required to do... or... fail to do something that you are required to do. I suspect the former. But don't take my word for it... ask your attorney.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

The point is that inspectors should not want to be in a position where they falsely advertise to the public (by belonging to an association that requires it) that they make these determinations for their clients and report these determination for each and ever defect that they find.

Once more, Nick....slowly, this time.

No association requires, by its SOP, that a home inspector publish a remedy for a defect in his report.

There is no false advertising. There is only your false and misleading representation.

[Nick Gromicko]

Once more, Jim... slowly this time.

ASHI requires, by its SOP, that its member make a determination for each and every defect as to whether the client should correct the defect, just monitor it, or have it evaluated by another professional... and that each determination for each and every defect, be included in all your reports.

ASHI members like you must do this for each and every defect you ever find.

Have fun with that... and make sure your determinations are never wrong.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Once more, Jim... slowly this time.

ASHI requires, by its SOP, that its member make a determination for each and every defect as to whether the client should correct the defect, just monitor it, or have it evaluated by another professional... and that each determination for each and every defect, be included in all your reports.

ASHI members like you must do this for each and every defect you ever find.

Have fun with that... and make sure your determinations are never wrong.

Every home inspector who inspects with an SOP does the same, Nick.

Recommendations to correct a defect, monitor or request additional evaluation is standard for the profession and is done by home inspectors in all associations.

Virtually every iNACHI inspector ignores that weakness in the NACHI SOP that allows a iNACHI inspector to limit his report to identifying a defect - only - without further comment as to whether the defect should be corrected, monitored or evaluated.

About a week before I allowed my membership to expire without renewing it, you were giving away door prizes.

One of them I won...although you refused to send it to me when I refused to renew my membership. This door prize was what you hyperbolically described as the world's most comprehensive library or narratives to accompany the identification of a defect in a report.

You claim, as you hawk these CDs to members at the cost of $99 each, that they were carefully prepared and compiled and...if I recall one of your posts hyping them....contain the wording necessary to protect the inspector using the iNACHI SOP by providing him with the narratives to either recommend the repair, monitoring or evaluation of a defect that will protect him from the suits that you NOW claim these narratives will invite.

While I still await for you to fulfill a promise that you made to me when I was a member of your association and you identified me as a winner of one of these CDs and to send me the CD that you published I had won...I now read your contradictory hyperbole as to how a report that contains anything more than the identification of a defect is irresponsible.

Such is the dilemma of one who consistently searches for only the most convenient truth.

[Nick Gromicko]

You go right ahead and (through your ASHI membership) promise all your clients that you will determine what they should do regarding each and every defect you uncover.

InterNACHI members can do the same if they wish... but InterNACHI won't push them into the legally uncomfortable position of requiring them to.

I for one believe that our job is to point out potential defects and then collect our fee. Both of those tasks are difficult enough, thank you. What the client does with that information is of no concern to us.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

I for one believe that our job is to point out potential defects and then collect our fee. Both of those tasks are difficult enough, thank you. What the client does with that information is of no concern to us.

If this is true....

(1) Why do you sell videos on NACHI Tv that recommend solutions (some proven to be errant solutions) to defects pointed out in your mock inspections?

(2) Why do you solicit $99 from members to purchase a disk of narratives to accompany their identification of defects that "is of no concern to us"?