New Texas Standards of Practice

[Andrew Walters]

Dominic,

Please count me in for testing the new version

[Dominic J. Maricic]

Hey Andy,

I definitely will. I just shot you a pm as well.

Dominic

[Michael R. Boyett]

Dominic...if you never received a response from Devon re: the capitalization question let me know & I'll bug her also.

[Dominic J. Maricic]

Mike,

Did she ever respond to you? I never heard back from her.

[Michael R. Boyett]

Yes, I got the answer to my question (had nothing to do with your question though) on Monday so I know she's 'in the office'. I'll send her an e-mail right now with the capitalization question & I'll copy you.

[Emmanuel J. Scanlan]

Originally Posted by mboyett

Best I can tell Manny is that the TREC Inspector Advisory Committee (actually one Houston inspector on that committee) could care less what the manufacturer's say. His position is that shingle fasteners belong below the sealing strip and the strip does not need to be broken in order for the lower edge of the shingle to be lifted enough to see the fastener.

So, actually the Commentary confuses me more than helps me...are we to look for fasteners/nails/staples or are we to confirm the sealing??? Both, I guess.

Mike,

High nailing on shingles (at the seal strip or above, instead of at the nail guide) is frowned upon as a problem. However, at least one manufacturer does approve a high nailing arrangement (GAF on some Elk shingles).

On a cheap 20 year shingle the shingle MIGHT be pliable enough to lift without breaking the shingle or lifting the sealing strip. Try that on a 40 year architectural shingle (I have them and it doesn't work). Or try it on a shingle that has been setting in our Texas heat for a few years. There is a good chance of damaging the shingle as they do become somewhat brittle from the heat. Even so, you would have to get down on hands and knees and shove your face in the roof to see the nailing to prevent lifting it very high, damaging the shingle or potentially lifting the sealing strip up to any degree.

I know what your saying and if we are required to do it I will try at every home. However, there is no doubt a lot of people will be disclaiming a lot of shingle fastener checks only after they get on site. I'm not about to take any chance of paying for roof damage just because we have an IC member who likes to damage shingles while checking and walk away from it.

[Michael R. Boyett]

Listen to this and cringe: TAR Podcast

[Dominic J. Maricic]

Texas inspectors, check out http://www.nachi.org/forum/f11/need-...s-texas-35204/ if you haven't already!

[Chuck Evans]

Shingle fastener inspection according to the new SOP:

How do you know when they're not right. Sometimes it takes a very sharp eye...





and sometimes it doesn't. The results of new roof installation using nail guns in Houston. Nails were driven completely through both layers of shingles. You could see sections sloughing off all over the roof. This was in 2006. I'm sure that the roof was stripped bare when Ike came through, if it wasn't completely replaced before hand.

I'm betting there's plenty of new ones out there now installed just like this.

[Andrew Walters]

who is that guy in the pictures...I feel like I've seen him somewhere before

[Emmanuel J. Scanlan]

Originally Posted by cevans

Shingle fastener inspection according to the new SOP:

How do you know when they're not right. Sometimes it takes a very sharp eye...





and sometimes it doesn't. The results of new roof installation using nail guns in Houston. Nails were driven completely through both layers of shingles. You could see sections sloughing off all over the roof. This was in 2006. I'm sure that the roof was stripped bare when Ike came through, if it wasn't completely replaced before hand.

I'm betting there's plenty of new ones out there now installed just like this.

Chuck,

That is funny!!

Why don't you send that to the IC to use in their new SOP commentary? Make sure you word it just as it is here.

[Chuck Evans]

Originally Posted by awalters

who is that guy in the pictures...I feel like I've seen him somewhere before

Uh, that's Mr. Fox in the picture. I brought him along to try to re-hone his skills a little bit. Poor ole guy's gotten pretty dull marketing all the time. Notice how pale and wan he looks. He rarely ever even gets outside anymore. I was afraid I was going to have to help him down the ladder after having out in the sun like like that.


This is a test to see if he reads the board.

[Michael R. Boyett]

Originally Posted by dmaricic

Mike, Did she ever respond to you? I never heard back from her.

Here's TREC's response to our question regarding the capitalization of certain comments on the REI 7A-1 form. My guess is that they will now review this minor issue and correct it in the future but for now they say:

Section 535.223 of the Rules of the Texas Real Estate Commission requires reproductions of the inspection report form to look identical to the TREC-promulgated form, with only those deviations as are specifically allowed by that rule. Although the capitalization issue that you raise (and that others have previously raised) appears to have been a typo, according to the rule, the form should be used as it was adopted.

[Chuck Evans]

Originally Posted by mboyett

Here's TREC's response to our question regarding the capitalization of certain comments on the REI 7A-1 form. My guess is that they will now review this minor issue and correct it in the future but for now they say:

Guess I have to go back and look for the typos so I can put them back in.

[Dominic J. Maricic]

Yeah I'm bummed about that one. TREC never responsed to my request about the typo's so Mike sent off an email for me. I now have to intentionally leave typo's in our software! That stinks, lol.

Mike, thanks for sending that email off for me.