Boy have I been told!

[Richard Murphy]

I have classified the attached as 6 d nails for the roof attachment - The client's son-in-law (an unlicensed home inspector by the way) that I am giving the industry a bad name - He can clearly identify the 8d nails that are seen above the strap in the first picture, and I should offer an apology and amend my report!

I sure wish my eyesight and, dare I say, X-Ray vision worked as good as his.

He then had the roofer call me and state that I should change the report because he re-nailed the roof deck - he promises (this for a roof that had a re-start notification in 2007, but didn't get finaled until today - The county inspector apparently tooks his word and he can't understand why I wouldn't!

[Michael J. Meeker]

Looks like a 6 by the ruler. Down by clip it does "look" and I do mean appear like a 8D by width and experience only. I cannot prove it.

[Steve C. Johnson]

It's an 8d if the plywood decking is an inch thick lol

[Ed Bancroft]

Looks like those short skinny 8d nails.......you know the ones

[Eric C. Van De Ven]

Originally Posted by rmurphy1

I have classified the attached as 6 d nails for the roof attachment - The client's son-in-law (an unlicensed home inspector by the way) that I am giving the industry a bad name - He can clearly identify the 8d nails that are seen above the strap in the first picture, and I should offer an apology and amend my report!

I sure wish my eyesight and, dare I say, X-Ray vision worked as good as his.

He then had the roofer call me and state that I should change the report because he re-nailed the roof deck - he promises (this for a roof that had a re-start notification in 2007, but didn't get finaled until today - The county inspector apparently tooks his word and he can't understand why I wouldn't!

The nail by your ruler looks old as evidenced by the rust. The ones at the end, where the decking isn't in contact with the truss, could be an 8 and may have been part of the re-nailing.
After enlarging the picture, I would probably say that it is an 8. The next question is, were the nail heads on the strap corroded away? It looks like, when you enlarge the picture, that the strap has moved from its original position.

[Michael J. Meeker]

Originally Posted by evandeven

The nail by your ruler looks old as evidenced by the rust. The ones at the end, where the decking isn't in contact with the truss, could be an 8 and may have been part of the re-nailing.
After enlarging the picture, I would probably say that it is an 8. The next question is, were the nail heads on the strap corroded away? It looks like, when you enlarge the picture, that the strap has moved from its original position.

Good eyes. Try proving the nail part with a photo.

[Brian C. Hoagland]

Dude you left out an important photo, if we have a nail every 6" and a scattering of other nails it was renailed. So where is the spacing photo? I can tell you for a fact it is easy not to miss much when renailing a deck that has nails in it already.

[Eric C. Van De Ven]

Originally Posted by bhoagland

Dude you left out an important photo, if we have a nail every 6" and a scattering of other nails it was renailed. So where is the spacing photo? I can tell you for a fact it is easy not to miss much when renailing a deck that has nails in it already.

That was on my mind as well. Occasionally, the roofers actually do hit the trusses all the time and install the decking properly, as in, no missed nails. At which time, you will need the re-nailing affidavit from the roofer as proof that it was re-nailed.

I suspect that you are going to find out the roof decking was re-nailed and you will be wrong, at which point, everything else will be considered wrong in everyone elses eyes. You may want to go back and look a little harder......for appearance purposes anyway.

[Richard Murphy]

Originally Posted by bhoagland

Dude you left out an important photo, if we have a nail every 6" and a scattering of other nails it was renailed. So where is the spacing photo? I can tell you for a fact it is easy not to miss much when renailing a deck that has nails in it already.

Agreed - but if no nails are missed, I cannot photograph the length therefore I can't prove it was done - I never said it wasn't- I know, I'll do what the homeowner said - "The roofer has it on his invoice, so he must have done it." Now, where do I write that......

[Michael J. Meeker]

Well...You could use your metal detector to its full potential???????

any ideas.

[Michael J. Meeker]

Ok I cannot wait any longer

[Eric C. Van De Ven]

Originally Posted by rmurphy1

Agreed - but if no nails are missed, I cannot photograph the length therefore I can't prove it was done - I never said it wasn't- I know, I'll do what the homeowner said - "The roofer has it on his invoice, so he must have done it." Now, where do I write that......

You take a picture of the renailing affidavit and the roofers invoice, or the homeowner can and then send that in.
The issue is that with the form, you are supposed to look for a missed nail, code violation and improper installation according to the APA, and then, photograph it.

[Michael J. Meeker]

This is an example of what could be done with a metal detector

I have "seen" a few better examples but it would be hard to find them. I have never heard "yet" of people having trouble with it.

Better examples come from hip roof areas where the shank can be seen as well. So I have been told.

Any comments on that as being an acceptable photo when nothing better can be found?

Photos like described may be able to help clients who actually hired good roofers that did their job properly.

Some day I will post a better example. I will just take a picture of the next one that could work if needed. I always show the defected against code "shiner" if they are visible because that has unfortunately become the accepted practice.

To bad I have to show something negative to get what folks deserve.

You would think an experienced profesionals word of what is there would be enough but some where along the way folks got lost.

[John Shishilla]

Originally Posted by mmeeker

This is an example of what could be done with a metal detector

I have "seen" a few better examples but it would be hard to find them. I have never heard "yet" of people having trouble with it.

Better examples come from hip roof areas where the shank can be seen as well. So I have been told.

Any comments on that as being an acceptable photo when nothing better can be found?

Photos like described may be able to help clients who actually hired good roofers that did their job properly.

Some day I will post a better example. I will just take a picture of the next one that could work if needed. I always show the defected against code "shiner" if they are visible because that has unfortunately become the accepted practice.

To bad I have to show something negative to get what folks deserve.

You would think an experienced profesionals word of what is there would be enough but some where along the way folks got lost.

That is totally unacceptable and does not work.

[Michael J. Meeker]

What do you suggest when no shiners are visible?

We use the metal detector to determine spacing why is it not sufficient to determine depth?

How are the two measurements any different?

If the detector is good for telling us the spacing why on earth can it not determine depth? Please do tell.