Has a decision been reached?

[Richard Murphy]

Thanks John, I appreciate your listening (and hopefully agreeing!! (I think you do)). I am just anxious to prepare us for using the new form and would like to have a basis for excluding these roofs. I don't feel that we are ready to do that as an independent opinion and would ask if you plan on having some updates to the training prior to the February 1 start date. - If we don't all start off on the same page its going to get ugly.

(I figure that you must be working on it now in the training update scheduled time (weekends between mid-nite and 4 a.m. - unless you plan on using your very own 8th day of the week........You mean you don't have an 8th day???? How the hell do you manage to do it all????)

[John Shishilla]

Originally Posted by rmurphy1

Thanks John, I appreciate your listening (and hopefully agreeing!! (I think you do)). I am just anxious to prepare us for using the new form and would like to have a basis for excluding these roofs. I don't feel that we are ready to do that as an independent opinion and would ask if you plan on having some updates to the training prior to the February 1 start date. - If we don't all start off on the same page its going to get ugly.

(I figure that you must be working on it now in the training update scheduled time (weekends between mid-nite and 4 a.m. - unless you plan on using your very own 8th day of the week........You mean you don't have an 8th day???? How the hell do you manage to do it all????)

I working on it now, but need to get to bed. I have a radon class tomorrow and Monday

[Michelle Shishilla]

Richard, It appears you are trying to instigate a fight. I could be wrong.

The only FLHII Chapter meeting you have ever attended is the one in January of last year. ALOT has transpired since then. Board members have been elected, chapter representatives have been elected. People have become INVOLVED.

You cannot draft a letter on behalf of the chapter when you don't even know who or what the chapter is about anymore. Again, you have only attended that 1 meeting 1 year ago.

Now, you have something that is passionate to you. Understandably so. You emailed John several times, you called him in the evening. All of which he responded and answered to. He gave you his opinion of the definition of the form during that phone call (most of which I believe is in agreement with you) HOWEVER, The wind mit class is NOT about opinions or what is viewed as more beneficial to the homeowner.

It is about what is right, what is there. WE JUST REPORT FACTS. It is not up to the inspector to Worry about what might or might not give a client a credit or impair their ability to get a credit. It is what it is....

In regards to your comment about our "sales seminar" in October. Yes I agree we had alot of vendors. However, I do believe that if you talk to any of the 125+ attendees they will tell you they learned something and enjoyed it.

Our next chapter meeting will be in Tallahassee in April. I do believe I have to drive 8+ hours to get there. But you know what... it is important to me and the people who I have grown close to.... so I am going.

John has answered you. Please understand there is much more going on than what you want.

[Richard Murphy]

Originally Posted by jshishilla

I working on it now, but need to get to bed. I have a radon class tomorrow and Monday

Damn - see you DO need that 8th day! Thanks John (whew, we avoided a Meeker tirade in the middle of this)

[Richard Murphy]

Originally Posted by mshishilla1

Richard, It appears you are trying to instigate a fight. I could be wrong.

The only FLHII Chapter meeting you have ever attended is the one in January of last year. ALOT has transpired since then. Board members have been elected, chapter representatives have been elected. People have become INVOLVED.

You cannot draft a letter on behalf of the chapter when you don't even know who or what the chapter is about anymore. Again, you have only attended that 1 meeting 1 year ago.

Now, you have something that is passionate to you. Understandably so. You emailed John several times, you called him in the evening. All of which he responded and answered to. He gave you his opinion of the definition of the form during that phone call (most of which I believe is in agreement with you) HOWEVER, The wind mit class is NOT about opinions or what is viewed as more beneficial to the homeowner.

It is about what is right, what is there. WE JUST REPORT FACTS. It is not up to the inspector to Worry about what might or might not give a client a credit or impair their ability to get a credit. It is what it is....

In regards to your comment about our "sales seminar" in October. Yes I agree we had alot of vendors. However, I do believe that if you talk to any of the 125+ attendees they will tell you they learned something and enjoyed it.

Our next chapter meeting will be in Tallahassee in April. I do believe I have to drive 8+ hours to get there. But you know what... it is important to me and the people who I have grown close to.... so I am going.

John has answered you. Please understand there is much more going on than what you want.

Michelle,

I am sorry you feel that way - it is NOT my intention to get in a fight!! I was worried that John might be picking up such a vibe....(and my voice sounds even gruffer, I know) It is my intention to get an indication of how this issue is going to be trained -

I respect what you all are doing and think that others do as well, and therefore am asking him to chime in on an issue publically so I can build more grass roots support for a controversial stance. Yes, I believe he agrees with me and I thank him for his time and thoughts.

For the record - I am aware that we just report facts - no opinion included. My point is what facts. (as in 4-points - I try not to volunteer too much information)

Yes - I know I have not been to other meetings, but that should not include me from trying to participate in my chapter by other means. And I try to keep my eyes and ears out to what is going on in our world -

Yes - I know the chapter is involved in other things and with larger issues Yes - I know there are officers and lots of time and effort put forth my you and others
Yes - I know I can't send a letter out on behalf of the chapter - that's why I submitted a sample and asked for permission to communicate on behalf of the chapter - how does one become and active participant, other than attending meetings? (I was trying to become INVOLVED!)
and
Yes - I know there are many other things involved in your efforts and in home inspections

So again, accept my apologies - no malice intended - I was merely trying to get on official (if you will) chapter stance on a small issue and maybe get some others thinkg about this issue and generate a little good debate.

I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR EFFORTS - (even if I don't show up at the meetings! Damn, I told my wife I should go!)

[Richard Murphy]

Originally Posted by evandeven

I think Richard is asking for clarity on the issue in question from John as he seems to have the best handle on it.

Thanks for understanding my point - and yes - I asked for John's opinion because I think he is "the man" when it comes to this arena. I know that he doesn't operate in a vacumm - and therefore I hoped to put this seed of a thought into others whose opinion he values.

[Jay C. Murray]

Originally Posted by rmurphy1

I am aware of that - That's my issue. It would seem that if the roof shapes do not impact the peril to the dwelling - how is it that the roof covering would? It is my understanding that one of the primary users of these reports (Citizen's) is not even going to cover these structures.

Yet - A homeowner replaces his primary shingle roof cover as well as the secondary modified butimen roof cover over his enclosed Florida Room will loose out on the credit because no documentation can be found for the 25 year old metal pan roof over his patio? A patio roof that is not even covered by his insurance policy?

If we can get behind this idea, maybe we can have an impact on the way the inspections are performed - but if we just bend over and follow every single inane thought that comes out of Tallahassee - then why even have a chapter at all? Why contribute to the legislative fund? We will just be the sheep that follow whoever cares to decide where we should go.

So yes - I am advocating we, as a group, take a small stand on a small issue.

Patio enclosures, screen room, out buildings, storage sheds, etc... Regardless of their proximity to the host structure, are not part of the host structure. The patio roof you describe should not be considered a roof covering. No more that the shingles on their shed or the piece of tin over the well pump. If a permit was found for the type of patio roof you describe it would likely be for a screen enclosure permit.

However, the Florida room would be part of the host structure. It would be permitted as a residential addition. It would require a roof permit to re-roof and therefore be considered as a roof covering.

[Richard Murphy]

Originally Posted by jmurray4

Patio enclosures, screen room, out buildings, storage sheds, etc... Regardless of their proximity to the host structure, are not part of the host structure. The patio roof you describe should not be considered a roof covering. No more that the shingles on their shed or the piece of tin over the well pump. If a permit was found for the type of patio roof you describe it would likely be for a screen enclosure permit.

However, the Florida room would be part of the host structure. It would be permitted as a residential addition. It would require a roof permit to re-roof and therefore be considered as a roof covering.

I like that answer - does the same apply for carport roofs that are only attached to the fascia or wall of the host structure?

[Michael J. Meeker]

Originally Posted by rmurphy1

Damn - see you DO need that 8th day! Thanks John (whew, we avoided a Meeker tirade in the middle of this)

What did you expect me to gripe about? Or are you just missing my common sense commentary?

[Jay C. Murray]

Originally Posted by rmurphy1

I like that answer - does the same apply for carport roofs that are only attached to the fascia or wall of the host structure?

I would depend largely on how the are constructed.

[Dennis J. Bonner]

I would have to agree with Jay on this subject. A rinky dink aluminum awning doesnt count in my reports

[Richard Murphy]

Originally Posted by dbonner

I would have to agree with Jay on this subject. A rinky dink aluminum awning doesnt count in my reports

How about the same scenario - only the roof cover of the patio is modified butimen? Same answer?